Causes of erratic overdrive
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Causes of erratic overdrive
1995 F-150, 5.0 SWB, 2WD, E4OD
Don't use truck as a daily driver and replaced rear tail light 3157 bulbs W/LED bulbs. Left home Sunday on trout fishing vacation and noticed overdrive is not engaging as it should, it's erratic. Another symptom when it's in 3rd gear and I press the accelerator pedal slightly the transmission shifts into overdrive, then when I left of the accelerator pedal the transmission shifts back into 3rd gear. Also cruise control will not engage. In the 73-79 forum these type of evasive issues are referred to as "gremlins".
Using wife's IPAD to write this before we head out to the lake. Plan to log back in tonight to see any suggestions, thoughts, possible remedies. Hoping something simple that I fix here and drive back home (370) using overdrive. Thanks guys. Don (EQCMCAT)
Don't use truck as a daily driver and replaced rear tail light 3157 bulbs W/LED bulbs. Left home Sunday on trout fishing vacation and noticed overdrive is not engaging as it should, it's erratic. Another symptom when it's in 3rd gear and I press the accelerator pedal slightly the transmission shifts into overdrive, then when I left of the accelerator pedal the transmission shifts back into 3rd gear. Also cruise control will not engage. In the 73-79 forum these type of evasive issues are referred to as "gremlins".
Using wife's IPAD to write this before we head out to the lake. Plan to log back in tonight to see any suggestions, thoughts, possible remedies. Hoping something simple that I fix here and drive back home (370) using overdrive. Thanks guys. Don (EQCMCAT)
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Install regular light bulbs back in the truck or you will have to install resistors in the wiring for the LED bulbs. The low resistance of the LED bulbs is confusing the computer and you will have issues like this. I would see this issue a lot back when LED bulbs first started to hit the market, it was a tough dianoisis for us on the first one we had, I think we replaced the PCM and Speedo head before we figured it out. Lol!
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JK080, Thanks for the insight. Managed to solve the problem earlier today. Third brake light socket is worn out and melted making the hold and connection lose with the socket. I tried to squeeze the socket a little to put some resistance holding the bulb and it's working for now and so is the cruise control along with the transmission shifting into overdrive like it's supposed to.
Next week I'll cut worn socket and solder in another one that I have in better condition.
Next week I'll cut worn socket and solder in another one that I have in better condition.
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Following up with the purpose of closing out this tread.
Last week while back at home from the vacation fishing trip, I replaced the Third Brake Light socket that Ford refers to it as "High Mount". Knew I had an extra light socket from an earlier JY extrusion I was on. Cut the old melted socket out and solder in the newer socket. Replaced the bulb, test drove the truck and everything is working as should, shifting into Overdrive and cruise control engages.
Last week while back at home from the vacation fishing trip, I replaced the Third Brake Light socket that Ford refers to it as "High Mount". Knew I had an extra light socket from an earlier JY extrusion I was on. Cut the old melted socket out and solder in the newer socket. Replaced the bulb, test drove the truck and everything is working as should, shifting into Overdrive and cruise control engages.
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Follow-up from recent 16-19 September 2018 fishing trip. As I indicated in my 24 July 2018 thread, I had changed the previous melted third brake light socket and then test drove the truck and the E4OD transmission shifted as it should and into overdrive, no problem. Well before we left the lake 19 September 2018 to return home, I installed a LED bulb into the third brake light socket and the transmission would not shift into overdrive. About 20 miles from the lake I pulled into a parking lot and replaced the third brake light LED with the right incandescent bulb and transmission once again shifted perfectly. I really wanted to use the LEB bulb in the third brake light because omitting allot less heat, preventing premature melting of the plastic socket, but cannot.
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My transmission has had weird shifting problems for a long time. I don't have a third brake light.
But I did find I had a blown tail light, which I changed out yesterday, and drove today.
It didn't seem to have as bad a shifting problem today,
So I wonder did the blown bulb cause some if not all of the shifting problems?
But I did find I had a blown tail light, which I changed out yesterday, and drove today.
It didn't seem to have as bad a shifting problem today,
So I wonder did the blown bulb cause some if not all of the shifting problems?
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My transmission has had weird shifting problems for a long time. I don't have a third brake light.
But I did find I had a blown tail light, which I changed out yesterday, and drove today.
It didn't seem to have as bad a shifting problem today,
So I wonder did the blown bulb cause some if not all of the shifting problems?
But I did find I had a blown tail light, which I changed out yesterday, and drove today.
It didn't seem to have as bad a shifting problem today,
So I wonder did the blown bulb cause some if not all of the shifting problems?
The tail light circuit or more accurately the resistance in it controls the torque converter lock/unlock. When the brake pedal is pressed the resistance in the circuit changes and sends a signal to the PCM which then sends a signal to the transmission to unlock the torque converter.
If you have LED lights the resistance the PCM is looking for is not in the circuit and can cause the tranny to exhibit weird behaviors you HAVE to have resistance in the circuit, either by using regular incandescent bulbs or adding resistors, which is what I did, then I removed the bi-metal flasher from the truck and got an electronic flasher. So far so good. That is how the E4OD works, if the PCM doesn't control the tranny because it is not an electronically controlled tranny then it shouldn't be an issue unless you have hyper flash or no flash (because not enough resistance),which is fixed by changing the bi-metal flasher out for an electronic one.
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Ok now I am lost. I do know I have regular 1157 bulbs.I did replace the flasher at one point with a heavy duty one, whatever heavy duty actually means, I have no idea.
I just figured heavy duty was better than the stock flasher that stopped working, so I bought it. I have no idea if that corrisponds with the time the transmission started acting up or not. I just don't remember.
I just figured heavy duty was better than the stock flasher that stopped working, so I bought it. I have no idea if that corrisponds with the time the transmission started acting up or not. I just don't remember.
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Ok now I am lost. I do know I have regular 1157 bulbs.I did replace the flasher at one point with a heavy duty one, whatever heavy duty actually means, I have no idea.
I just figured heavy duty was better than the stock flasher that stopped working, so I bought it. I have no idea if that corrisponds with the time the transmission started acting up or not. I just don't remember.
I just figured heavy duty was better than the stock flasher that stopped working, so I bought it. I have no idea if that corrisponds with the time the transmission started acting up or not. I just don't remember.
What type of transmission do you have? the E4OD is the only one that is electronically controlled and is affected by using LED lights to my knowledge
How a bi-metal flasher works is there are two pieces of metal that make contact in the flasher and they are different types of metal one heats up faster than the other ,as the current flows through those 2 pieces of metal, one heats up and curls away from the other,breaking the connection, when it cools it snaps back to touch the other piece of metal and start all over. That is what causes the clicking, a heavy duty version can handle more current.
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Most people who've had one since new managed to get 100-200K miles of reliable service.
Time finds all weaknesses & Ford has made continual progress improving them.
They frequently suffer from dirty plugs/connections, chaffed wires & a computer, in your case 25 years old & in the worst place possible which still works most of the time, even breaking down.
Don't see anywhere that you ran codes.
Do you use a 386 computer & windows 95 by the way?
Just sayin.
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