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Old 05-25-2018, 05:29 PM
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2018 Max Tow pkg: not really

So it turns out that a truck with a Max Tow package is only really a Max Tow if it has 20" wheels. If your has the 18" wheels it gets the upgraded driveline and hitch, but not the suspension upgrades. I can't fathom why this is the case.

Anyway, got any suggestions for getting a parts list to make one a true Max Tow? The order guide says the difference is "upgraded springs, sway bar, and steering gear".
 
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:32 PM
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Are you talking about MAX Tow or Heavy Duty Payload Package?
 
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Old 05-25-2018, 07:35 PM
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Max Tow, no HDPP.
 
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Just keep in mind whatever "upgrades" you throw at it will not raise the legal limit of the truck. It will be the same as it left the factory with.

Do you envision hitting a limit with what you plan to tow? EB with a 3.55 is a potent tow package, especially with 2wd. longer wheelbase will give good stability also.
 
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Old 05-25-2018, 08:48 PM
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Yup that's what got me to order the HDPP/MTTP.
It make no sense to anyone. My theory is in the Towing numbers game Ford only outfitted and tested one configuration with 20 inch wheels, to get the "highest in class award". They actually reduced the MTTP numbers from 2017, on trucks with 18 inch wheels. It was cheaper on my build to order the Heavy Duty package then order 20 inch wheels. I was getting a 500a Lariat 157" Screw anyway, so it was an easy choice. That blurb from Ford is also a bit misleading, if you look at the Ford fleet specifications sheets, MTTP does not get a unique Stabilizer bar, or Trans cooling, all tow packages seem to be the same, and the steering ratio seems to standard across the board. It's all as clear as mud.

The HDPP/MTTP is strangely liberating, no more worrying about options and additions overloading payload numbers (all within reason of course). I won't have to put the dogs on diets before towing the TT on a trip!
 
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Is this specific for the 2018? I know on the 2017 the Max Tow came with larger front stabilizer, extra trans cooler, stronger trailer hitch/bumper. Nothing about wheels.
 
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Just keep in mind whatever "upgrades" you throw at it will not raise the legal limit of the truck. It will be the same as it left the factory with.
That's the strange thing about this: this truck already has the 7000 lb GVW, to get any more you have to have the HDPP. So it's exactly the same rating as a 20" wheel max tow truck, but without the suspension upgrades. I'm baffled.

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Do you envision hitting a limit with what you plan to tow? EB with a 3.55 is a potent tow package, especially with 2wd. longer wheelbase will give good stability also.
No, we'll be good. It has 1,880 lbs of payload and I don't imagine we'll have more than 1,000 in tongue weight so we should be fine after loading up the cabin and bed.
 
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Is this specific for the 2018? I know on the 2017 the Max Tow came with larger front stabilizer, extra trans cooler, stronger trailer hitch/bumper. Nothing about wheels.
Yes, it's a change for 2018. Shame on me for not doing a detailed check on 2018 options; I went through everything with a fine-toothed comb in 2017 but ended up delaying until the 2018s were on the lot. So now I have to do some remedial work. I already have some LT-rated tires on order, but I knew I was going to do that regardless. Springs and stabilizer bar I can do no problem, not too much work or expense. I have no idea what they mean by upgraded steering gear.

But I do need to come up with a parts list.
 
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Originally Posted by ATX SD View Post
Yes, it's a change for 2018. Shame on me for not doing a detailed check on 2018 options; I went through everything with a fine-toothed comb in 2017 but ended up delaying until the 2018s were on the lot. So now I have to do some remedial work. I already have some LT-rated tires on order, but I knew I was going to do that regardless. Springs and stabilizer bar I can do no problem, not too much work or expense. I have no idea what they mean by upgraded steering gear.
See my post.
I think you will find you might have the upgraded Stabilizer bar and the steering gears seem the same. Look at the Ford Fleet Specification pages.
 
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See my post.
I think you will find you might have the upgraded Stabilizer bar and the steering gears seem the same. Look at the Ford Fleet Specification pages.
Well, that would be something good. I don't have the fleet spec - can you point me to a link? Thanks much.
 
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Yup that's what got me to order the HDPP/MTTP.
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The HDPP/MTTP is strangely liberating, no more worrying about options and additions overloading payload numbers (all within reason of course). I won't have to put the dogs on diets before towing the TT on a trip!
You're probably a wiser man than I am. I was initially going to order an HDPP/MT so we could keep our 10,000lb 5th wheel. Did all the math, every single option, we would have been legal but very, very close to GVWR. I postponed a decision then got in a hurry and decided to just downgrade to a TT and get something off the lot. Took some looking to get max tow, tow mirrors, and 157" wheelbase and I just didn't look further than the weight specs published in the brochure and the door sticker before deciding.

In retrospect it would be nice to have HDPP even without needing it for the 5th wheel. Live and learn. So far, I like the truck very much. I was originally looking at SuperDuty 6.2L, coming from a Cummins 6.7L diesel, but decided I needed more of a daily driver. It's just a little floaty/wobbly to my taste, so I'll tighten it up a bit before hooking up. Thanks for the help.
 
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I'm close to purchasing a new F150. I am having a rough time finding the MTTP with tow mirrors. In my search, I find a truck equipped with the Trailer Tow Package, the 36 Gallon Fuel Tank, and the Trailer Brake Controller cost $30 more, but includes the same goodies as the MTTP. The only differences I find are a true MTTP truck has a different rear bumper (no one knows what's different), and a 7050# GVWR instead of the 7000# in a non-MTTP truck. The other difference is the 3.55 rear end in the MTTP, versus the 3.31 in the non-MTTP. That gets you about 3,000# more trailer tow capacity than the non-MTTP truck.
If I can't find another major difference, I may go with the individually optioned truck. The 3.31 rear end will net better daily driving fuel economy, but the reduction in trailer capacity shouldn't mean much. I'd never consider towing anywhere near the 10,000# trailer capacity with a 1/2 ton, and certainly not the 13,300 with a MTTP truck.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 07:53 AM
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I hope this helps a bit, This is information my dealer sent me from their build sheets.
Ford seems to deleted the detailed specification pages from their Fleet website. I do have a hard copy which I could scan information if you need more.




 
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Oh, ok, I have that doc, thanks. I think someone posted it to the forum earlier in the year.

As usual, mostly it just raises more questions.
  1. What's the difference between an HD and an HPP frame? Is one of those max tow?
  2. What's with the 8200 lb GVWR? That's not one listed anywhere else - it's always 7850. Maybe a fleet option?
I measured the OD of my sway bar - looks like it's 36mm. I guess they all get that diameter bar? I can't tell if it's solid or not.
 
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Old 05-26-2018, 11:24 AM
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So it turns out that a truck with a Max Tow package is only really a Max Tow if it has 20" wheels. If your has the 18" wheels it gets the upgraded driveline and hitch, but not the suspension upgrades. I can't fathom why this is the case.

Anyway, got any suggestions for getting a parts list to make one a true Max Tow? The order guide says the difference is "upgraded springs, sway bar, and steering gear".
I pulled my order manual and my spec sheet. I did not see any reference to a 20" vs 18" and do not have any footnotes indicating the specifications differ based on wheel size. The max trailer tow package in the 2018 manual consists of the pro trailer backup assist with trailer hook up lamp. It does not change your springs or capacities on any model. The capacity related towing package is the "trailer tow package" which comes with the 4/7 pin, trans cooler, class iv hitch receiver, smart tow connector, and the front stabilizer. The trailer tow package is required for towing up to 11,100. The other way to increase your capacities is the "heavy-duty payload package" which is optional on xl, xlt and lariat but unavailable on king ranch, platinum and limited. That will give you upgraded springs and 3.73 ratio, 9.75" gearset, and the option of 17 or 18 inch wheels/tires. The class IV hitch package is standard on lariat, king ranch, platinum and limited. It is optional on xl and xlt.

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