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Gas tank/pump problem? 89 F250 5.8 liter

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name for fuel pump.
And the rest of the components. Low pressure system would be the pump, sender, filter and hangar/tubing.

High pressure FDM is those components and the check valve & shuttle valve.
 
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I have a bit of a Frankenstein’s Monster truck. Great.

What about the module that switches between the 2 tanks? Should I have one of those?
 
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There is no external switching mechanism on a fuel system with 2 high pressure FDMs. Hence the term Fuel Delivery Module. The unsed tank has flow activated (actually lack of flow) valves to shut off flow into the tank as the energized tank sends fuel to the engine and the unsed fuel is returned to the selected tank.

The tank selector switch on the dash is electrical to supply power to the selected tank's pump and supply power and feedback for the fuel level gauge on the dash. An open circuit in the fuel sender circuit results in a gauge that reads past full all the time. A short will cause the gauge to read empty.

Bricknose trucks may be opposite of the fuel gauge operation above. Ford changes things between generations.
 
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Originally Posted by rla2005
There is no external switching mechanism on a fuel system with 2 high pressure FDMs. Hence the term Fuel Delivery Module. The unsed tank has flow activated (actually lack of flow) valves to shut off flow into the tank as the energized tank sends fuel to the engine and the unsed fuel is returned to the selected tank.

The tank selector switch on the dash is electrical to supply power to the selected tank's pump and supply power and feedback for the fuel level gauge on the dash. An open circuit in the fuel sender circuit results in a gauge that reads past full all the time. A short will cause the gauge to read empty.

Bricknose trucks may be opposite of the fuel gauge operation above. Ford changes things between generations.
thanks for the great information. Any ideas on how to “close” the open circuit?
 
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The fuel pump and assembly that I pulled out of the tank is pictured above, but here it is again.
I would say the photo is of a high pressure FDM. So the fuel/pump assembly your ordered for a 1989 model fit into the tank?
 
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thanks for the great information. Any ideas on how to “close” the open circuit?
Make sure the fuel level sending unit is good. Measure it with a DVM set to ohms. If good, connect it to the wiring in the truck. Measure the resistance at the switch.Do not turn on the key, you are measuring resistance only.
 
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Originally Posted by gr8dain
I spy a hose clamp on the other end of that replacement fuel line? That bad..really bad.
 
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Some good info on the Fuel Delivery Module and how the fuel system works on a 1990 and later truck with two high pressure in-tank pumps: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-or-other.html

Your truck has been modded to function like the above.
 
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What if the Canadian Cab was swaped onto a 1990-96 US Gas truck ?
 
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Originally Posted by rla2005
I would say the photo is of a high pressure FDM. So the fuel/pump assembly your ordered for a 1989 model fit into the tank?
Yes. It dropped right in. The top round plate fit the opening of the tank just right and the locking ring fit over it just like it ahould as well. Was there a difference in the size of the opening between the 2 amd 3 pump systems?
 
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What if the Canadian Cab was swaped onto a 1990-96 US Gas truck ?
is there a place on the frame that would have the VIN? I know my Jeep CJ has a partial VIN on the frame.
 
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Wonder if I can kook up power to it and read the ohms while messing with it out of the truck. Or hook it up without the tank and see if the ohms work while messing with it under the truck.
Technically no you cannot hook it up to power and check ohms. Ohms (resistance) is checked without power. Check the resistance of the sending unit and also check the wiring going to the gauge at the pump connector. If the is an open you will not have a reading.

Yes. If there is enough slack in the harness you can plug in the pump. If you have another set of eyes or very long arms you can turn the key to run and move the float up and down to see if the needle on the gauge also moves. Be aware that any fuel in the pump will be pumped out when you apply power. Personally I wouldn’t bother doing this since.
 
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Originally Posted by rla2005
Some good info on the Fuel Delivery Module and how the fuel system works on a 1990 and later truck with two high pressure in-tank pumps: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...-or-other.html

Your truck has been modded to function like the above.
Thanks for the link. Good info there.
 
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Technically no you cannot hook it up to power and check ohms. Ohms (resistance) is checked without power. Check the resistance of the sending unit and also check the wiring going to the gauge at the pump connector. If the is an open you will not have a reading.

Yes. If there is enough slack in the harness you can plug in the pump. If you have another set of eyes or very long arms you can turn the key to run and move the float up and down to see if the needle on the gauge also moves. Be aware that any fuel in the pump will be pumped out when you apply power. Personally I wouldn’t bother doing this since.
Thanks. And for the record, I do not have long enough arms to test it and see the gauge. Unfortunately. 😜

as for the wiring on the assembly/fuel hanger, where would I pit my leads to test the resistance? Also, am I missing a wire? Is something supposed to be attached to the last spot?

 
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Originally Posted by vjsimone
What if the Canadian Cab was swaped onto a 1990-96 US Gas truck ?
Many trucks in this era were manufactured in Canada. My father's 1977 F250 and both of my 1978 F150 & F250 were manufactured in Canada.
 


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