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Ford recommends semi-syn (whatever that is, think semi-boneless) 5w-30 for 3.5L EcoBoost motors. The required Ford spec is WSS-M2C946-A.

Home Depot has 5 qt jugs of Shell 5w-30 on sale this week for $9.88. Not listed as semi-boneless (oops, I mean semi-syn), but the jug specifically states that it meets Ford WSS-M2C946-A.

My guess is that all oils meeting the Ford spec has some syn in them, even if they do not say so.

I suspect that as Shell now owns and sells many brands of oil (Shell, Havoline, Quaker State, Pennzoil, Rotella) at several price points, they do not mark their cheapest conventional oil as containing any syn so that they can up-market you to a more expensive bottle or jug.
 
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Yes the Formula Shell oil meets the Ford spec and is licensed as such, I believe.

There are a lot of conventional oils that actually meet the Ford spec and are licensed ... examples:
Formula Shell
QS
Mobil
Castrol
Valvoline
Pennzoil
all you have to do is look up their website, and then find their PDS (product data sheet); most of them will clearly show which are approved for the applications.

Ford "recommends" lot of stuff, but they "require" things meet certain specifications to be in compliance with warranty criteria. You only need to meet the "requirements"; not the recommendations. For example, for several years for "recommended" BP gasoline right on the fuel filter caps! Does that mean I void warranty by using Mobil or Shell gas? No way. Same goes for lubes and filters; as long as the products meet the specs, Ford will honor warranty. If they don't meet specs, then secondary warranty from the maker of the product may apply; need to assure yourself of this by checking their website info for the limited warranty statements. (Example ... Amsoil is not Ford approved, but it will warrant their lubes and filter in the applications as long as you follow the AMSOIL recommendations).

Read and learn about the Magnuson/Moss warranty act at this FTC site:
https://www.ftc.gov/tips-advice/busi...l-warranty-law
Warranty coverage is all about setting limits and conditions on otherwise full warranties. Engineering specifications which reveal themselves in products (lube specs, filter specs, etc) assure that if aftermarket products are used, they will provide the required level of acceptable performance to ensure the OEM warranty conditions are in force. This is essentially, at it's core, a game of who has the burden of proof.

Three examples of applications:
- Using a lube in your engine that neither Ford or the lube maker show application for: using an 80w-90 gear oil in your crankcase of your 6.2L gas v-8 Super Duty is not a good idea. It does not meet the Ford spec. While you can use it, if you should suffer a problem, Ford has the ability to deny warranty coverage based upon a product YOU choose that did not meet Ford spec's for the application. Hence, you can attempt to hinder them in arbitration or in court, but you're likely to loose because the burden of proof of acceptability of the lube is upon YOU, not Ford. YOU have to prove that using gear oil in your engine was a good idea. Further, even the maker of the lube is not going to cover your loss; they don't spec a gear oil for the engine either. The burden of proof in legal proceedings is totally on you. You and your hunches against a room full of lawyers, engineers and such. Good luck with that!
- Using a lube that meets WSS-M2C946-A and is licensed as such means that as long as you can show Ford the product you used was within their spec, the burden of proof is upon Ford to show how it was your fault that the engine failure happened. Kind of hard for Ford to prove your oil caused a problem when it was on their approved list to use in the first place! Even the lube maker is going to point at Ford and make them pay up, as long as the lube was approved by Ford for that application, and the lube evidence shows that the lube was made in compliance with the spec.
- Using a lube that does not meets Ford's spec by license, but is otherwise approved and recommended for use in the application by the maker. Example would be Amsoil, RL, RP, etc. These companies typically do not seek out the paid licenses of the corporate OEMs; those are expensive to get approved. However, they still market lube products for the applications; they are willing to offer their own warranty conditions based on using their product as granted by them. So if a lube-related issue occured, Ford (the OEM) would not want to pay, but the lube maker (aftermarket) would pay, IF the failure is truly a result of the lube failure and not a mechanical failure. This can, at times, become a long and cumbersome legal trail. Ford denies coverage for a non-approved lube. Amsoil blames Ford for making a bad component(s) (such as cam lobes not properly heat treated, bad journal bearings, etc). This can get VERY LONG in terms of delays because each company will want to inspect the lubes, the parts, etc. This can play out for months and months. Only if the lube were proven beyond any doubt to be incorrect would the lube maker want to pay up. (example: If RL put gear oil into the engine oil bottle by mistake, and then you put that "product" into service with full belief that you had done the right thing ... I'm not saying this has happened; it's just an example of how the situation might play out ...)


Warranty coverage is first and foremost about limiting liability. After that, it's about burden of proof.
 
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By the time I got done reading your post, the sale had expired.
 
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By the time I got done reading your post, the sale had expired.
Rofl.

I was thinking the same!


 
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Originally Posted by jschira View Post
Ford recommends semi-syn (whatever that is, think semi-boneless) 5w-30 for 3.5L EcoBoost motors. The required Ford spec is WSS-M2C946-A.
Think along the lines of lubricated, non-lubricated, and ribbed for her pleasure.

Once upon a time, most Ford, Lincoln, Mercury were spcified to use 5W-30. Then a TSB was issued to service those cars with 5W-20. Now, a lot of the car's owners manuals also specify that 0W-20 is an alternative weight.








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If you are driving a 2002 vehicle, you are way out of warranty, so what Ford recommends is totally optional.

The only reason Ford went to 5w-20 was fuel economy. Later model cars (like my 2017 EB Expy), Ford went back to 5w-30.

Read my post regarding full syns. For most people, they are a waste of money.

Home Depot oil was a brand name (Shell) and had the correct Ford spec (for my Expy) written right on the bottle. No reason in the world to pay a dime more.
 
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Is there a strategy to stockpile motor oil, since it doesn't expire? What about filters? Those ever go on sale with a coupon?
 
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Is there a strategy to stockpile motor oil, since it doesn't expire? What about filters? Those ever go on sale with a coupon?
I've stock piled a boat load of Valvoline MaxLife 5W-30 in 5 quart jugs from Amazon for just under $18 each---its what I use in two of my E250's, both with over 250K miles each. Filters I buy Motorcraft FL-820S by the dozen though Amazon or eBay, about $45 for all 12 in bulk packaging. This is not only super convenient for me but a bit of cost savings too.

With my reman'd Ford 5.4 I'll use Motorcraft branded 5W-20 bought straight from the dealership--good price and with a pending warranty on that engine I think its smart to use Ford oil bought from Ford.
 
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Is there a strategy to stockpile motor oil, since it doesn't expire? What about filters? Those ever go on sale with a coupon?
I've stock piled a boat load of Valvoline MaxLife 5W-30 in 5 quart jugs from Amazon for just under $18 each---its what I use in two of my E250's, both with over 250K miles each. Filters I buy Motorcraft FL-820S by the dozen though Amazon or eBay, about $45 for all 12 in bulk packaging. This is not only super convenient for me but a bit of cost savings too.

With my reman'd Ford 5.4 I'll use Motorcraft branded 5W-20 bought straight from the dealership--good price and with a pending warranty on that engine I think its smart to use Ford oil bought from Ford.
 
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