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Old 04-15-2018, 07:46 PM
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EXACT source of start up rattle?

Ecoboost guys,

I found myself watching a YouTube video this weekend of the infamous start up rattle on the 3.5 engine. Further investigation on my behalf reveal that this is supposedly a well known issue. Also, quite a few videos out there of of guys doing the fix (new timing chain and phasers).

My question to you all is this: what EXACTLY is the source of the rattle sound? Which component is rubbing against what?

​​​​​​​Just curious. TIA
 
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Old 04-17-2018, 10:51 PM
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Its the timing guides wearing out or bad timing chain tensioners. Do regular oil changes (5k mile with full synthetic oil is best IMO) and you wont have this problem.
 
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Old 04-18-2018, 12:12 AM
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I was actually doing some more research on this just today. And what I found/realized is that the chain tensioner is activated or pressurized by engine oil pressure. So after the engine sits for a bit, oil pressure in the tensioner decreases thereby allowing the chain to slacken. So that explains the rattle only on start up - up until adequate oil pressure in the tensioner takes the slack out of the stretched links in the chain. It all makes much more sense to me now.

The chain/tensioner/phaser job looks fairly straight forward. Yeah, it's an all day job. But technically, not too bad. Recently did timing belt on Honda Pilot. This job doesn't look any more difficult than that.

Ford's design on the water pump on this engine definitely leaves something to be desired, though....
 
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I've read numerous articles about how important it is to keep clean oil in the ecoboost engines for the purpose of the timing set and the cam phasers. I've settled into a 5K dump cycle for the all of the 83K miles on mine and I've had no issues. The thing that bothers me though is that Ford's OLM says up to 10K miles between changes. IMHO, this contradicts all practices to maintain a healthy engine.

The goal for my truck is 200K miles. We shall see.
 
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I find it utterly absurd that Ford would recommend 10k oil change intervals on ANY engine, let alone such a high performance power plant like the 3.5EB. That's a lot to ask of oil - even synthetic. I, personally, never EVER go beyond 5k. Usually 3-4k intervals.
 
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I don't buy into the hype of extended drain intervals and stick the with the 3k/3month interval. I might be wasting oil but the way I see it the longer you can keep fresh oil in the engine the better, plus we do a lot more short distance driving which is hard on oil to begin with.
 
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