2016 6.7 vs 2017 6.2
#46
Totally ignorant statement to compare truck mills. Owning a business is about the bottom line. Today particularly, we see companies paying cheap wages for inexperienced help to make ends meet because its cost effective or profitable. I don't need a truck that does it best when one that does it just fine cuts the mustard on my budget and profitability. If your statement were true, I guess those driving light duty diesel trucks should switch out to medium or heavy duties because they certainly outhaul the 6.7L. There are plenty of gas trucks out there that have pulled their weight just fine for 100's of 1,000's of miles, and still run. After logging close to 3 million miles in diesels, and seeing the loss of dependability to claim the rights to the highest hp and tq, I'm not so sure I'd rather run one diesel 400,000 miles, or two gassers 200,000 each. I'm not seeing much more return on high mileage diesels over their comparable gas counterpart, and then you need to consider the repairs and slight increase in maintenance on the smoker.
#47
Totally ignorant statement to compare truck mills. Owning a business is about the bottom line. Today particularly, we see companies paying cheap wages for inexperienced help to make ends meet because its cost effective or profitable. I don't need a truck that does it best when one that does it just fine cuts the mustard on my budget and profitability. If your statement were true, I guess those driving light duty diesel trucks should switch out to medium or heavy duties because they certainly outhaul the 6.7L. There are plenty of gas trucks out there that have pulled their weight just fine for 100's of 1,000's of miles, and still run. After logging close to 3 million miles in diesels, and seeing the loss of dependability to claim the rights to the highest hp and tq, I'm not so sure I'd rather run one diesel 400,000 miles, or two gassers 200,000 each. I'm not seeing much more return on high mileage diesels over their comparable gas counterpart, and then you need to consider the repairs and slight increase in maintenance on the smoker.
#48
Personally, I haven't gained my trust back for diesels, so I'll stick with the dog for now.
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#53
Except is was revamped in 2017. Yes, the 6.7l tows better but I've driven enough vehicles to know the 6.2l is no slouch. It's cheaper and it'll haul 5 people and a heck of a lot of gear comfortably....which is probably why they are so popular in the oilfield. Both trucks have their place.
Personally, I haven't gained my trust back for diesels, so I'll stick with the dog for now.
Personally, I haven't gained my trust back for diesels, so I'll stick with the dog for now.
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#55
I would. Down time is a killer. More diesels go down for no reason, than overloaded gassers blowing up or wearing out from hard use. All our trucks are gas except heavy DRW F450's and such. The new big block global engine might get us some gas engines in the bigger trucks as well.
Field service trucks. If we did zero service, and say, delivered RV's or cars, the diesels would be a better choice obviously.
Field service trucks. If we did zero service, and say, delivered RV's or cars, the diesels would be a better choice obviously.
#56
The 6.7L has more lag than an EcoBoost, and a 6.2L has no turbo lag. But a couple of things:
-All 6.7's are torque-limited in 1st gear (dually) and up through 3rd gear (SRW)
-6.2L trucks from the 2011-2016 generation would not supply full power until 3,000RPM was reached. Companies like 5-star tuning could remove that limitation. Maybe 2017 trucks are not limited this way.
-I've had 6.2L's and 6.7L's. The diesel "feels" faster to me but in reality a gas engine keeps up or beats it to 60 mph. Motor Trend testing backs this up.
-The diesel really shines when a heavy load is placed upon it. The gas engine quickly drops gears and starts winding up to try to reach peak power and torque. The diesel engine drops maybe one gear, maybe none. You just see the turbo boost gauge swing, and the truck loses no speed and engine tone does not change.
The first-gen 6.7L (2011-2014) felt the perkiest to me...despite having the lowest power ratings. I think it was the unique turbo used in those years had less lag. 2015 got a bigger, more traditional turbo...tad more lag.
The G transmission is perkier. It has a smaller torque converter and less fluid to pump around. The physical unit is smaller and lighter. It is completely suitable for what a gas F-250 is capable of.
So, street drag race between a 6.7L and 6.2L would be close. Add even a small trailer behind both truck, however...and the 6.2L will just fade.
-All 6.7's are torque-limited in 1st gear (dually) and up through 3rd gear (SRW)
-6.2L trucks from the 2011-2016 generation would not supply full power until 3,000RPM was reached. Companies like 5-star tuning could remove that limitation. Maybe 2017 trucks are not limited this way.
-I've had 6.2L's and 6.7L's. The diesel "feels" faster to me but in reality a gas engine keeps up or beats it to 60 mph. Motor Trend testing backs this up.
-The diesel really shines when a heavy load is placed upon it. The gas engine quickly drops gears and starts winding up to try to reach peak power and torque. The diesel engine drops maybe one gear, maybe none. You just see the turbo boost gauge swing, and the truck loses no speed and engine tone does not change.
The first-gen 6.7L (2011-2014) felt the perkiest to me...despite having the lowest power ratings. I think it was the unique turbo used in those years had less lag. 2015 got a bigger, more traditional turbo...tad more lag.
The G transmission is perkier. It has a smaller torque converter and less fluid to pump around. The physical unit is smaller and lighter. It is completely suitable for what a gas F-250 is capable of.
So, street drag race between a 6.7L and 6.2L would be close. Add even a small trailer behind both truck, however...and the 6.2L will just fade.
#57
I have a buddy that runs a gas well maintenance company. Quite a few years ago, before the diesels were choked down with all the emissions crap, his group changed from diesel to gas because the additional weight of the diesel played havoc with the front ends in their off-road environment. It was continual ball joint, track bar, etc repairs causing tons of downtime.
#58
Oddly my fellow techs will drive a truck with completely wasted joints and shocks and say "it's just fine". Maybe that's why they're field techs and not auto techs. We do notice that the diesels stink in slick mud. Unless both trucks that we're comparing are massively heavy, then it matters less, they both suck.
But yeah, off road, SRW, gas truck all the way.
For example our fleet shocks stay on for the life of the vehicle. 150,000m for Express blobs, 200,000m for trucks. And everyone here knows those shocks are toast at 50,000m. I buy my own, spray paint them OEM black and sneak them on. I don't want to be a paraplegic because we don't service our shocks.
But yeah, off road, SRW, gas truck all the way.
For example our fleet shocks stay on for the life of the vehicle. 150,000m for Express blobs, 200,000m for trucks. And everyone here knows those shocks are toast at 50,000m. I buy my own, spray paint them OEM black and sneak them on. I don't want to be a paraplegic because we don't service our shocks.
#59
Traded 6.2 for a 6.7... best thing ever!! It’s all about purpose thought, I could get by with a gasser for towing a toy hauler, it worked... but that’s where it ends. 6.7 makes the towing portion enjoyable, also went from 250 to 350 DRW so there’s that... point is, it depends on the purpose.
#60
I had a 17' F250 4x4, 6.2 & 4:30's. And now a 17' F350 4x4 6.7 & 3:55's. I traded the 250 because we changed or plans in RV's. And, I really wanted a Platinum in the first place. In daily driving, the 6.2 wins hands down. It just goes. No pause. The 6.7 pauses before it goes. The pause makes driving the truck in city and rural driving feel lethargic. This is not my first 6.7, and not my first 6.2. They all perform the same.