Just want a good replacement carb for my 69 F250 360

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #16  
Old 03-24-2018, 10:21 AM
baddad457's Avatar
baddad457
baddad457 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: May 2003
Location: south louisiana
Posts: 11,122
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Tedster9
When I read about flow and CFM and the rest of it, they always seem to be talking about 6000 RPM, stuff like that. Those are drag racing calculations. It will likely run like **** at anything other than ***** to the wall pedal to the metal. If you plug in your average RPM in high gear at 50 or 60 mph, see what it suggests. Most likely something close to 350 CFM or even a bit smaller. Just what was provided as OEM. Hm, maybe those Ford engineers were on to something!

Trucks were designed to haul heavy loads, starting from a dead stop a smaller carburetor atomizes fuel better, and offers crisp throttle response with lots of torque in the low range where most people do their driving. Carburetor flow differences (mostly) show up at the high end, at high speed anyway. When it comes to carburetors and camshafts, I've read "pick the one you think you want, and go one step smaller."
That's all true. Mostly though it's a problem picking the wrong 4 bbl carb, everyone thinks a mech secondary carb is best, and they're the worst as far as street performance. It's a little bit different in 2 bbl carbs cause there's no secondary side to screw things up (adding too much flow capacity) . I've run the Holley 500 on a stock 302 and it was fine even on it. It's exactly half of a 750 cfm double pumper 4 bbl, so it's not as big as one would think because the 2 bbl and 4 bbl are rated at different pressure drops. ( 3in/hg vs 1.5 in/hg )
 
  #17  
Old 03-24-2018, 11:20 AM
roguewave's Avatar
roguewave
roguewave is offline
Busted Knuckles
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Texas/Maine
Posts: 340
Received 131 Likes on 56 Posts
I’ll let y’all know how it goes after installing the Holly 7448 and PerTronix 1281 igniter.
 
  #18  
Old 03-24-2018, 11:41 AM
krewat's Avatar
krewat
krewat is offline
Site Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Long Island USA
Posts: 42,561
Received 297 Likes on 156 Posts
Back when I was young and into trying weird stuff, I happened upon a free 750 Holley and a 2-4bbl adapter. Bolting it onto my completely stock 360, it did improve the high end, which with that stock 360 was about 4500RPM. It didn't hurt the low-end either.

Your Mileage May Vary.



The moral of this story: The stock 350 CFM carb was definitely limiting the engine. It wasn't a huge gain or anything, but it was different.

HOWEVER - going from a 350 CFM 2bbl to a 500 CFM 2bbl might make idle and low-end WORSE, as the venturis are larger, and the air flow at idle and low RPM will be slower through the carb making jetting a possible issue.
 
  #19  
Old 03-24-2018, 12:11 PM
69cj's Avatar
69cj
69cj is offline
Hotshot
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Middle Tn.
Posts: 13,827
Likes: 0
Received 12 Likes on 11 Posts
Originally Posted by Krewat
Back when I was young and into trying weird stuff, I happened upon a free 750 Holley and a 2-4bbl adapter. Bolting it onto my completely stock 360, it did improve the high end, which with that stock 360 was about 4500RPM. It didn't hurt the low-end either.

Your Mileage May Vary.



The moral of this story: The stock 350 CFM carb was definitely limiting the engine. It wasn't a huge gain or anything, but it was different.

HOWEVER - going from a 350 CFM 2bbl to a 500 CFM 2bbl might make idle and low-end WORSE, as the venturis are larger, and the air flow at idle and low RPM will be slower through the carb making jetting a possible issue.
Did that years ago, when I was in high school, to my dads 53 Ford flat head. It was a dog out of the hole but the engine wouldn't quit winding out. In the course of app. a month, burned out 11 of the 16 valves. Dad was not impressed with my foray into the world of auto mechanics.
 
  #20  
Old 03-24-2018, 12:28 PM
krewat's Avatar
krewat
krewat is offline
Site Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Long Island USA
Posts: 42,561
Received 297 Likes on 156 Posts
Originally Posted by 69cj
Did that years ago, when I was in high school, to my dads 53 Ford flat head. It was a dog out of the hole but the engine wouldn't quit winding out. In the course of app. a month, burned out 11 of the 16 valves. Dad was not impressed with my foray into the world of auto mechanics.


Probably ran lean?
 
  #21  
Old 03-24-2018, 12:39 PM
Tedster9's Avatar
Tedster9
Tedster9 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Waterloo, Iowa
Posts: 19,311
Likes: 0
Received 66 Likes on 65 Posts
Carburetion is weird sometimes. AFR can change in ways that are not necessarily intuitive. Increased air velocity due to smaller venturi can also increase the amount of fuel flowing through a carburetor.

This is actually how a carburetor choke works in fact. It's not so much the air flow is decreased, but it pulls far more fuel.
 
  #22  
Old 03-24-2018, 05:45 PM
baddad457's Avatar
baddad457
baddad457 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: May 2003
Location: south louisiana
Posts: 11,122
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by Tedster9
Carburetion is weird sometimes. AFR can change in ways that are not necessarily intuitive. Increased air velocity due to smaller venturi can also increase the amount of fuel flowing through a carburetor.

This is actually how a carburetor choke works in fact. It's not so much the air flow is decreased, but it pulls far more fuel.
Right, cause it's pulling more vacuum. I never had issues with the 500 cfm even on that stock 302. . The 50cc accelerator pump makes up for the vacuum drop when you mash the gas. I ran a 3310 750 on an Exploder 5.0 on a Ford A321 intake for a time, never had issues in the lower rpms there either. The response was pretty clean off idle too. Surprised me that one did. It probably never pulled the secondaries fully open at WOT to use all the flow. I replaced it with a 570 Street Avenger later on. Didn't see a whole lot of difference in the lower rpms after the switch.
 
  #23  
Old 03-27-2018, 12:27 AM
tbm3fan's Avatar
tbm3fan
tbm3fan is offline
Cargo Master
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Concord, CA
Posts: 2,954
Received 41 Likes on 31 Posts
Originally Posted by Tedster9
I've read "pick the one you think you want, and go one step smaller."
So very true for carbs, cams and exhaust pipe diameters
 
  #24  
Old 03-30-2018, 08:01 AM
roguewave's Avatar
roguewave
roguewave is offline
Busted Knuckles
Thread Starter
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Texas/Maine
Posts: 340
Received 131 Likes on 56 Posts
Holly carb installed and PerTronix igniter installed......and.....




it runs GREAT ! Can’t tell you how happy I am.


Thanks eveyone for the help!
 
  #25  
Old 03-30-2018, 08:29 AM
baddad457's Avatar
baddad457
baddad457 is offline
Post Fiend
Join Date: May 2003
Location: south louisiana
Posts: 11,122
Likes: 0
Received 14 Likes on 14 Posts
Originally Posted by roguewave
Holly carb installed and PerTronix igniter installed......and.....




it runs GREAT ! Can’t tell you how happy I am.


Thanks eveyone for the help!
 
  #26  
Old 03-30-2018, 09:38 AM
krewat's Avatar
krewat
krewat is offline
Site Administrator
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Long Island USA
Posts: 42,561
Received 297 Likes on 156 Posts
Nice

and thanks for reporting back!
 
  #27  
Old 06-20-2018, 01:38 AM
SoCal69's Avatar
SoCal69
SoCal69 is offline
Tuned
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 332
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
Holly 500 cfm 4412s

I have Both fresh rebuilt 350 in the box and running the 500 cfm on my 69 CS 390 C6 comp 265 dual energy cam I was a little ticked at Holly tech they told me at first not to use the 500 I was in the process of rebuilding the motor first V8 project in 20 some years I was rusty it had the 500 on it so I sold it and bought the 350 after lots of research like here I bought the new 4412,s 500 with a 1" spacer under it man I won't even need a 4bbl that things kicks rear gear I smoked the tires !!!!!! 374 rear gears posi rear for the CS smoked em ....easy to tune I'm happy
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
madcowranch
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
18
07-13-2006 02:50 PM
qman
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
2
11-07-2005 04:48 PM
cdorroh
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
3
01-07-2005 04:08 PM
Psyte
Fuel Injection, Carburetion & Fuel System
2
12-06-2004 12:24 AM
comet
1967 - 1972 F-100 & Larger F-Series Trucks
6
10-21-2002 09:03 PM



Quick Reply: Just want a good replacement carb for my 69 F250 360



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:50 AM.