Help. What's the 10,000/9,900 GVWR Package do?
#16
01-30-2019, 05:03 PM
Lead Driver
#17
01-30-2019, 08:27 PM
So I may be more or less confused !! I cannot find an F250/350 with an unladen weight over 8000lbs (maybe is for construction type trucks with attached lift hoists etc) so this sticker seems completely unnessary in CA and needlessly limits your legal tow capacity. Of course this may not apply in other states but there are many new trucks here (in CA) for sale with the 9,9/10k GVWR package. Why??
#18
01-30-2019, 08:46 PM
Lead Driver
I believe once you are hooked to a trailer they judge you on your total registered weight. At that point you cant exceed that or your tire/axle ratings.
If you are in a truck that has over 10,000 GVWR you are required to keep a log book if you are Commercial.
If your total registered weight is over 26,000 then your licensing requirements can change, especially if Commercial.
If you buy a fleet of trucks and install heavy service bodies that puts your actual GVWR over 10,000 but only registered for 10,000 then you take a good chance at getting in trouble.
Some states allow RVs/Campers dry weight to be deduced from “Payload”.
Around here if you buy a DRW for work to pull a 14,000 rated trailer it is best to downgrade your GVWR so you can stay legal. If you buy a DRW to put a heavy Service body on its best not to downgrade or even take the upgrade GVWR option if available or scale your truck and register it correctly.
Does that make sense? Its about paying the correct registration fees and staying safe.
If you are in a truck that has over 10,000 GVWR you are required to keep a log book if you are Commercial.
If your total registered weight is over 26,000 then your licensing requirements can change, especially if Commercial.
If you buy a fleet of trucks and install heavy service bodies that puts your actual GVWR over 10,000 but only registered for 10,000 then you take a good chance at getting in trouble.
Some states allow RVs/Campers dry weight to be deduced from “Payload”.
Around here if you buy a DRW for work to pull a 14,000 rated trailer it is best to downgrade your GVWR so you can stay legal. If you buy a DRW to put a heavy Service body on its best not to downgrade or even take the upgrade GVWR option if available or scale your truck and register it correctly.
Does that make sense? Its about paying the correct registration fees and staying safe.
#19
01-30-2019, 08:53 PM
Mountain Pass
#20
01-30-2019, 09:00 PM
Logistics Pro
So I may be more or less confused !! I cannot find an F250/350 with an unladen weight over 8000lbs (maybe is for construction type trucks with attached lift hoists etc) so this sticker seems completely unnessary in CA and needlessly limits your legal tow capacity. Of course this may not apply in other states but there are many new trucks here (in CA) for sale with the 9,9/10k GVWR package. Why??
My guess — hopefully reasonable — is that many pickups are purchased in CA for commercial purposes but receive a registration break if the GVWR is Less than 10,001 lbs.
HTH,
Jim/ crewzer
#22
01-31-2019, 05:51 AM
all trucks here here in California are considered commercial, for example if you drove a ford ranger you are paying a commercial fee on your registration. This is just a money grab for the state.
Eric
#23
01-31-2019, 06:20 AM
Logistics Pro
1) Weigh your empty / unladen truck at a CAT scale. Make sure the weighmaster records your truck’s license plate on the ticket.
2) Print the “Fast Facts” pamphlet (2 pages; excerpt below) and page 3 of the CDL handbook (both linked in one of my posts above).
3) Visit your local DMV office with the docs above and have a polite discussion about non-commercial registration of your truck.
HTH,
Jim / crewzer
#24
01-31-2019, 10:31 AM
I am guessing it was 2006 when I bought my first F350, whatever year it was, it must have been when a new weight was released, I think it had #10,500. You call the car insurance company before you leave with the new vehicle, they give a waiver for the new vehicle until new paperwork can be mailed home with the new bill. I got a call later that day, they were telling me I needed commercial insurance, it was over #10,000. It ended up being just a mistake because the companies had not experienced a private vehicle with a weight rating over 10K.
CA has some really screwy laws from what I am reading. Here in NH, as long as I am not working commercially, or "for commerce" ($) I do not have to worry about commercial vehicle rules/laws, to a degree.
I have a friend, his wife is the one who drives the HUGE motor home, it weighs somewhere in the mid #25,000 area. She drives it legally with her plain regular NH drivers license. That one gets me.
I may have read it from this site. I think the biggest difference, F250 vs F350 is the 350 has a larger block on the rear axle, which allows for more towing capacity (and there are different decals on the sides of the front fenders)
CA has some really screwy laws from what I am reading. Here in NH, as long as I am not working commercially, or "for commerce" ($) I do not have to worry about commercial vehicle rules/laws, to a degree.
I have a friend, his wife is the one who drives the HUGE motor home, it weighs somewhere in the mid #25,000 area. She drives it legally with her plain regular NH drivers license. That one gets me.
I may have read it from this site. I think the biggest difference, F250 vs F350 is the 350 has a larger block on the rear axle, which allows for more towing capacity (and there are different decals on the sides of the front fenders)
#25
01-31-2019, 10:37 AM
Lead Driver
The 2017+ F350 SRW has different rear Springs/Axle compared to the F250. They register the 2017+ SRW F350 at 11,500 or 10,000 if you opt for the derate as explained above.
I just went through ordering one so this is all fresh in my mind. I was fine with the F250, but if I had went long bed I would have got the 350.
I just went through ordering one so this is all fresh in my mind. I was fine with the F250, but if I had went long bed I would have got the 350.
#26
01-31-2019, 10:52 AM
Logistics Pro
The F350 has one extra leaf spring and comes standard with an overload/auxiliary spring. The overload/auxiliary can be had on a F250 with the Camper Pkg or HCTP Pkg. The F350 with 6.2 gas, also has the 6R140 tranny. All diesels get the 6R140. All F250s and 6.2 gas F350s get the Sterling rear axle. The one exception is the F250 with the HCTP Pkg. It gets the Dana 275 like all F350 diesels. I'm only referring to SRW F350s.
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