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Old 01-21-2018, 10:11 AM
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68D De-Rate & F250

This question specifically relates to this option and a F250. I fully understand the benefit of it for an F350. I have looked at all the other threads on this but I am unable to find an definitive answer.

If you order this on an F250, it takes you from the standard (and only) 10,000 GVWR to a 9,900 GVWR rating.

When would this have any actual impact legally, or financially?

From the sake of a legal/DOT perspective, 10,000 is still considered class 2, no different than 9,900. I have seen several posts where people claim certain states charge more, but once again, I checked every states DMV/MVA web site that his been thrown around and they are the same, they consider 10,001 the GVWR that throws you into the higher range, not 10,000. This is also reinforced by the fact that this option takes an F350 to the 10,000 rating, and no lower.

Can anyone offer any evidence that the difference between a 10,000 GVWR and a 9,900 GVWR will change anything related laws/regulations, registration fees, or insurance? maybe some obscure state that I have not looked at?

The only advantage I see is that it makes it blatantly obvious where this truck would fall, as maybe the difference between 10,000, and 10,001 is too confusing for some people?

This does not really impact me, but just something that has been bothering me since I have been planning my next company vehicle.
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US federal regs: 10001 GVWR = Class 3. Thatís where most states rules are coming from with changes going from Class 2 to Class 3.
I personally havenít seen any states in the US that the 9900 comes in to play (havenít really dug into it much) but I have read that in Canada it is similar to going from Class 2 to Class 3. 4500kg = 9900lbs. Nice even number in kg.
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Don't know about states and the registration process, but here in TX--the TX DOT cops have begun monitoring commercial 350 SRWs just like they were duallys pulling goosenecks. Friend on mine with small drilling company has had go go back to 250s to avoid the daily walk-arounds/paperwork associated with heavier commercial trucks (10k+). Its all about the money the state can generate....
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US federal regs: 10001 GVWR = Class 3. Thatís where most states rules are coming from with changes going from Class 2 to Class 3.
I personally havenít seen any states in the US that the 9900 comes in to play (havenít really dug into it much) but I have read that in Canada it is similar to going from Class 2 to Class 3. 4500kg = 9900lbs. Nice even number in kg.
That makes sense, maybe this intended to assist the F250ís heading to Canada.
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Don't know about states and the registration process, but here in TX--the TX DOT cops have begun monitoring commercial 350 SRWs just like they were duallys pulling goosenecks. Friend on mine with small drilling company has had go go back to 250s to avoid the daily walk-arounds/paperwork associated with heavier commercial trucks (10k+). Its all about the money the state can generate....
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Texas is one of the states that Require DOT number for any vehicle used for intrastate commercial purposes over 10K. However, if they ordered an F350 with this option they would be covered and not subject to the regulations, assuming they were not overweight, or towing anything. Although they would probably still get pulled over more because it has the F350 badge, but once they read the labels they should be sent on their way.
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The Canada thing makes sense. The magic number in the US is 10,001 lbs but in Canada it’s 4.5 metric tons which just happens to be 9920 lbs!
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Any truck over 4500kg in Ontario Canada is deemed a commercial vehicle. Licensing gets expensive, an annual safety inspection is required as well as a Daily inspection report.
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Any truck over 4500kg in Ontario Canada is deemed a commercial vehicle. Licensing gets expensive, an annual safety inspection is required as well as a Daily inspection report.
In Quebec too if it's for commercial use.
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