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Old 01-16-2018, 08:19 AM
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Hey there, anyone have buyers remorse after going from a diesel to a gas? Im kinda in that right now, I drove a 1999 7.3 for 14 years, 275,000 + miles and then switched to a 2009 f250 with the v10. I love everything about the truck except the mileage and towing. It gets 10-11 mpg empty and about 6-8 towing my 5th wheel. Im considering going back to a diesel. Possibly a 6.0. its hard getting used driving/towing with a gasser. the truck will hold 4th gear most of the time, once in a while on flat ground itll shift into 5th gear, where as my old 7.3 would pull all day in overdrive and I could accelerate whenever needed.


I do like the easier maintenance on the v10 though.
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Old 01-16-2018, 08:41 AM
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I’d have buyers remorse if I went from my V10 to a diesel.

Stinky and noisy and expensive when things go wrong. I’ve heard even oil changes are expensive.

Diesel towing is for businesses or wealthy people. Are you one of those?
How heavy is your trailer?
 
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:23 AM
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the 5th wheel weighs 9900 dry according to manufacture specs. Ive never scaled it loaded/ready to camp. Plus I pull my 18' boat behind it atleast three or four trips a year. Most of my trips are in the state of Michigan, 200 miles or so to the destination from my house, some further.
 
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:28 PM
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Nice truck, I think V10's reliability can out weigh the diesel issues and maintenance.
 
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Old 01-16-2018, 06:17 PM
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who knows, if I get a diesel and have issues ill have buyers remorse then plus a angry wife.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 04:24 AM
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Get you some gears and maybe a chip and then you’ll be happy. It’ll hold any gear towing anything.
What gears do you have in it?
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 05:49 AM
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I wouldn’t take a diesel truck if it was free.

As as a matter of fact, just a few months ago there was a thread on FTE where a guy took on an adventure of having the opportunity to cross the country to get a free truck. It was diesel, and 4 wheel drive. Two things I dislike.
He started the thread before deciding (“what do you guys think? Should I do it?”).
And then he DID do it. I think he got a cheap airline ticket, took his dog and his gun and had a jollly time driving it back. Plenty of amusing, real life details. It was a fun thread (until he got it home and then it was less interesting)

the whole adventure was fun to read, and it had me thinking maybe I would take a free truck if it was diesel.

But it was just pipe dreams in my head, and after the fun of his thread wore off I realized- no, I wouldn’t take a free diesel truck. Except only to clean it up and flip it for a profit. Sell it to some poor soul that thinks only of the benefits of diesel and doesn’t think of the risks and downsides.

Anyway; everybody’s different.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 06:37 AM
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it already has 4.10 gears, ive looked into 5star tunes.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 07:40 AM
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I think you asked a question in the wrong forum. The answer you are looking for will not be one you can ask others about. As to maint, the oil change for a v10 runs me about $60-75 my 6.0 I do myself and runes maybe $30 more so it really is a wash IMO. I looked for a diesel for the rv and the 2 I found we found wanting due to coach not the engine. So you will just need to make a determination on your own. Getting a 6.0 can be a crap shoot, but it is stronger than the 7.3 doesn't get the fuel mileage of one however. If you can find a good one (there are lots out there) get it taken care of by someone who knows them not just any diesel mech/garage.
 
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Tune it and see what happens. Going from a 7.3 to a 3-valve V10 shouldn't be that much of a let-down, if any. If you haven't already, do all the regular maintenance items like clean the MAF, fuel filter, etc,

How many miles are on it?

And remember, you NEED to let the engine rev.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:36 AM
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As to maint, the oil change for a v10 runs me about $60-75 .
That’s a very expensive oil change for a V10. Do it yourself for about $25-$30 or pay a place for no more than $40. Unless you’re in Taxachussettes or Canada or some place out of the ordinary.
 
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Originally Posted by bmfox View Post
it already has 4.10 gears, ive looked into 5star tunes.
9900lbs is probably at or near the max for that truck right? That’s a heavy trailer. The most I towed was about 7,000 with my 2007 e350 v10. Mine has 3.73 gears and 2 valve engine. It did a good job but I could feel it WORKING. I’d say you’re too close to the max. My judgment call. Other guys here know more than me of course. Get some 4.88 gears- then you won’t be disappointed.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:38 AM
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The 99 7.3L only sported " 235 hp (175 kW; 238 PS)@2600, 500 lb⋅ft (678 N⋅m)@1600 "
A 2009 V10 is bringing " 362 hp (270 kW; 367 PS), 457 lb⋅ft (620 N⋅m) "

I'd imagine the big difference is in the shifting. 43lbs of torque isn't much, and you can probably get some of that back with minor upgrades.

Don't fear the revs.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 12:28 PM
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My 7.3 wasn't stock, it had a tuner, built trans, and a billet turbo wheel. The v10 in my truck is rated to pull 14,500 with 5th wheel or right around there I believe. I only pulled the camper in the 50hp tow tune with the 7.3.


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Old 01-17-2018, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Krewat View Post
And remember, you NEED to let the engine rev.
^^^ Yes! You've got to forget about everything you've learned about towing with a diesel (I'm a former oil burner myself so I think I know where you're coming from). Get that thing out of 5th, and into 4th...or 3rd...or 2nd. Let the engine spin. Check out the torque and hp curves and you'll quickly see where you SHOULD be running RPM-wise.
 
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