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Old 01-11-2018, 03:27 PM
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Whats the consensus on the 6.0s?

I am in the market for an X and I was focusing my search on the 7.3 because I heard they were the best. I am new to Diesels so I am learning as I go here.

I heard the 6.0s were troublesome. IS that the case. I also heard there are some mods you can do that will make that a great engine. Can someone please give me some perspective here.

Is there a "Golden" year to look for?

Any advice would be appreciated.

I will be using the X to haul a young family of 4 and three dogs and towing a camper through the mountains.
Upgrading from a 2000 Suburban 4x4. Love this truck, but I think I will be better off with an X for towing through the mountains.

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Old 01-11-2018, 03:56 PM
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Consensus? This is the internet man!

The 6.0 suffered from two main problems: Ford's choice of coolant and an engine design that only has four torque-to-yield bolts per cylinder.

The coolant of choice drops out silicates that plug passages in the oil cooler, thus restricting coolant to the EGR cooler, which then pops. The 4 TTY bolts don't matter until the former happens or someone plugs in a tuner and cranks it to the moon.

Beside those two main issues, the FICM is a weak point, a few possible root causes there. And general diesel maintenance expense (expensive oil/filters and parts to maintain that a gasser doesn't have).

I have a 6.0, it's way better than most make it out to be but it's not been reliable in comparison to the 5.4 I had in my F250.

Buy a V10.
 
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The 2005 is the best year for the 6.0. I have one and wouldn't trade it. Go on youtube and watch a few 6.0 videos by diesel tech Ron. He explains the 6.0 nicely. My ex is dependable but I did a few preemptive upgrades just to feel more secure.
 
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Do you research on the 6.0, if you pick a 6.0 that has been neglected and/or abused.. then you can count on it being a money pit.
 
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You started this thread questioning a 290,000 mile 7.3 and now you are pondering a 6.0? What is the impetus behind that move?

Price?

Availability?

Features?

You may be better served reading in the 6.0 sub-forum.
 
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Originally Posted by fastang50 View Post
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Touche!

Good gouge here. I appreciate the insight. I will be pulling in the mountains; therefore, leading me to 7.3, but I would save a pretty penny with the V10. I was concerned with the gas milage while towing (8MPG)? Still investigating.
 
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Old 01-11-2018, 04:36 PM
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You started this thread questioning a 290,000 mile 7.3 and now you are pondering a 6.0? What is the impetus behind that move?

Price?

Availability?

Features?

You may be better served reading in the 6.0 sub-forum.
More 6.0s available in my search. Talked to guy and he was a 6.0 guy as long as you "bullet Proof" them. Not sure how to so that. Just wanting more info on all options. A bit of a learning curve.

Also, tons of cheap V10s out there. Looking at that possibility, but will likely stay with the 7.3.
 
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My 7.3 F-350 got 10.5 mpg towing my 11k camper on a 1200 mile trip last spring. I haven't towed it with my V-10 Excursion yet but I've talked to some folks who are pulling similar rigs with similar Excursions and they're getting around 8 mpg. Lets put that trip in perspective. 1200 miles at 10.5 mpg needs 114.3 gal of diesel at $2.80 per gallon (today's price here) for a total fuel cost of $320.00. The V-10 would require 150 gallons of gas at $2.35 per gallon for a trip fuel cost of $352.50.
The V-10 doesn't need frequent fuel filter changes at $20 a pop. The 7.3 needs 4 gallons of oil at ~$18 per gal and a $15 filter. The V-10 needs 7 quarts at ~$4 per quart and a $7 filter. The V-10 will crank right up when it's 4 outside...so with the 7.3 when all is right but the V-10 doesn't depend on glow plugs and a somewhat overworked relay in cold weather. You won't ever be in the middle of nowhere and find that the only little store around doesn't sell diesel. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of course. If you're towing all the time, a diesel makes a lot of sense. If, like me, you're mostly hauling kids around and towing heavy 3-4 times a year, maybe the V-10 makes sense. I loved my 7.3 truck but a gas SUV fits the need better so that's what I ended up with.
 
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Originally Posted by Saenzm View Post
Touche!

Good gouge here. I appreciate the insight. I will be pulling in the mountains; therefore, leading me to 7.3, but I would save a pretty penny with the V10. I was concerned with the gas milage while towing (8MPG)? Still investigating.


I get 8 to 9.5 MPG towing my 11,300lb TT with my V-10 EX, but I'm in the East and not the Rockies, bigger hills and thinner air may keep it around that 8 MPG mark out where you are. Don't let the 8 MPG scare you too much, there are plenty of diesels out there towing loads equal to mine that don't get a whole lot better mileage, some do much better but not all. How large and heavy is your TT?

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More 6.0s available in my search. Talked to guy and he was a 6.0 guy as long as you "bullet Proof" them. Not sure how to so that. Just wanting more info on all options. A bit of a learning curve.

Also, tons of cheap V10s out there. Looking at that possibility, but will likely stay with the 7.3.


My V-10 tow rig has had a little bit of work to make it tow as good as it does, mainly deeper gears to let the V-10 rev up to where it's power lives. Factor the cheap (but solid) V-10 price and the cost to regear in comparison to the local PSDs. These 6.8s can get the job done, not as well as a good diesel but they cost should be less if that is a concern at all.

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My 7.3 F-350 got 10.5 mpg towing my 11k camper on a 1200 mile trip last spring. I haven't towed it with my V-10 Excursion yet but I've talked to some folks who are pulling similar rigs with similar Excursions and they're getting around 8 mpg. Lets put that trip in perspective. 1200 miles at 10.5 mpg needs 114.3 gal of diesel at $2.80 per gallon (today's price here) for a total fuel cost of $320.00. The V-10 would require 150 gallons of gas at $2.35 per gallon for a trip fuel cost of $352.50.
The V-10 doesn't need frequent fuel filter changes at $20 a pop. The 7.3 needs 4 gallons of oil at ~$18 per gal and a $15 filter. The V-10 needs 7 quarts at ~$4 per quart and a $7 filter. The V-10 will crank right up when it's 4 outside...so with the 7.3 when all is right but the V-10 doesn't depend on glow plugs and a somewhat overworked relay in cold weather. You won't ever be in the middle of nowhere and find that the only little store around doesn't sell diesel. There are advantages and disadvantages to each of course. If you're towing all the time, a diesel makes a lot of sense. If, like me, you're mostly hauling kids around and towing heavy 3-4 times a year, maybe the V-10 makes sense. I loved my 7.3 truck but a gas SUV fits the need better so that's what I ended up with.


Very good comparison, pretty much the logic I used when shopping for mine plus the need to learn all about a new engine type (I've had a VW diesel before and have been messing around with Fire Dept Detroits for 30 years, but the PSD are different beasts) where I was pretty comfortable with wrenching on gassers. I've done a few thing to my EX to make it a better tow rig (which is all it does these days) but really not a lot of money spent and I'm very happy with how it handles our large and heavy TT. What trailer do you have? Our is a '14 Jayco Eagle 338RETS.
 
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Old 01-11-2018, 05:57 PM
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The v10 is likely the most practical choice in all situations. The diesels are for the smiles per gallon, if you just gotta have one.

I absolutely love the 6.0 platform personally but they require constant awareness and no putting things off when they ask for any attention or they will bite you.
 
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I love my 6L Excursion. You need to have an OBD2 gauge, so you can monitor vital sensors to determine IF you have a clogged oil cooler, bad alternator, bad battery (s), bad FICM, stuck turbo vanes, etc. BEFORE you buy!!

With the awesome info on FTE you can do most of the diagnostics yourself. The fuel pressure requires you to install your own sensor and gauge. Low fuel pressure can kill injectors (as can running out of fuel!).

I splurged for the BPD oil and egr coolers when my oil to coolant temp reached 15 degrees. I just towed our explorer 2200 miles from FL to CO and the 6L was awesome in the mountains.

I had a '97 Tahoe, replaced cat twice, head gaskets twice, front suspension, rear diff, transmission, and a/c and heater core.
My 6L has been FAR CHEAPER and more comfortable, powerful, and enjoyable.

Don't be in a hurry and realize the 6L becomes your new hobby.... and FTE helps you spend money to upgrade things....
 
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The 7.3 needs 4 gallons of oil at ~$18 per gal and a $15 filter.
I need to be selling you oil and filters if you still have a 7.3L!!

I don't pay anywhere near that for my oil and filters...

I get my 15W-40 oil for $8.50 a gallon, and I pay less than $10 per Motorcraft oil filter. That makes it as economical as a V-10 on oil changes at my house. I get my fuel filters for a whole lot less than $20 as well. I don't have any connections to get them at those prices, either.
 
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Pulled those prices from AutoZone and WalMart. I often found them for less as well but the majority of people will simply go to a chain parts store to buy these items. Therefore, on average, it's a valid comparison. If someone wants to post detailed maintenance records on both engines, I'm good with that. Until then, my position is that the diesel will cost more to operate than a gas burner.
 
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I need to be selling you oil and filters if you still have a 7.3L!!

I don't pay anywhere near that for my oil and filters...

I get my 15W-40 oil for $8.50 a gallon, and I pay less than $10 per Motorcraft oil filter. That makes it as economical as a V-10 on oil changes at my house. I get my fuel filters for a whole lot less than $20 as well. I don't have any connections to get them at those prices, either.
I've got so much waste oil laying around now, I usually take the engine oil to the rural recycling dump, which is free. But after the transmission service I just performed, I'm left with 10 quarts that the recycling place DOES NOT take. I'm looking at a waste oil furnace for the garage now..!!
Love the vehicle, love the towing ability, but 2 years later and knowing of the important critical recurring maintenance, I'm still asking myself what the hell have I bought..!!!!
It's still worth it though, and it's not a daily driver.
 
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The OP asks for opinions on the 6.0 and the guys with V-10's come in to defend (validate their purchase).



Then the most far-flung examples, scenarios and theories are presented as facts (as seen in other threads).

  • "Gas is only $1.59 in my state and diesel is $3.48."
  • "Filters on a diesel only last 5 weeks."
  • "My 6.0 can tow my 12,000 lb TH up the Eisenhower in 4th gear and get 23 MPG."
  • "The 'Unlimited Limited' package has the 3 valve, V-10 my brother-in-law used to be a mechanic and he told me so."
  • "My neighbors 7.3 has 986,xxx on the clock and he has never changed the injectors."

And it devolves into a Gas v Diesel thread.

IIRC, only 10% of Excursions produced were diesels. The new vehicle marketplace has already determined which was more popular...by demand and production. The used vehicle marketplace determines that diesels are more in demand due to limited supply.
 
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