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'57-'60 Engine Mount Question

So far, my only experience with the '57-'60 Ford F-100 trucks has been with V-8 models. I am wondering if the motor mounts are the same for both the 6 cylinder and Y-block V-8's. I know that from the factory, the front of the V-8 engines mounted to the chassis via a pair of brackets riveted to the back side of the front cross member. The engine has a bracket which bolts to the front timing cover and holds a pair of round rubber mounts on each side. The rear of the engine is supported by a pair of rectangular rubber mounts which attach to the rear portion of the bell housing. These mounts rest on a cross member and the transmission is not supported. It just hangs off the rear of the bellhousing.

So, if I were to acquire a '57-'60 six cylinder F-100 truck, could I remove the old drive line and slide a 292 in there using the stock mounts without having to fabricate new brackets or a new cross member? Will the bellhousing on a 223 straight six bolt onto a 292 V-8? Will a 292 stock bellhousing bolt up to an FE engine (352, 360, 390, etc)?
 
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I don't think the 223 bell housing bolts to a 292 and one from a 360/390 (FE series engines) will not bolt to any other engine family.
I am about 90% sure the 223 and 292 trucks have the same mounting locations on the frame. If nobody else weighs in, I will be out to my storage yard in a couple days and compare a 6 cylinder to a V8 to be sure.
If you go with a later engine, like an FE, you will most likely have to fab up a different mounting system. like front and rear cross members. You can buy them from Speedway and other catalogs. One other option, but hard to find, might be the bell housing and front mount from a 65-66 V8 4x4 truck. They still used the old style mounts on the 352 FE engine.
 
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Hey Billy, thanks for your input. I am anxious to hear what you find out in your storage yard.

The above picture is of the front mounts on my '58 F-100. They are right about 12 1/2" apart. I would think the six cylinder and V-8 mounts would be the same, but Ford has done some strange things over the years. I appreciate your help!
 
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The above picture is of the front mounts on my '58 F-100. They are right about 12 1/2" apart.

I would think the six cylinder and V-8 mounts would be the same (they aren't!), but Ford has done some strange things over the years.
The 292 mounts completely different than the 223, so none of these parts will work.

See upper (upper) pic (262 introduced in 1961).

 
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Is this for the 2nd truck your putting together? I believe I still have the front 292 mounts I removed (cold chisled the rivets out) if you need them.
 
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The 292 mounts completely different than the 223, so none of these parts will work.

See upper (upper) pic (262 introduced in 1961).

I wonder if the front cross member is even the same then. So the 6 cylinder mount could be removed and the V8 ones put on.
 
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Marty,

Yes it is! Please save those mounts for me. I think I can get my brother to pick them up.

NumberDummy, Billy,

It would appear that swapping a six for a 292 will not be as easy as I had hoped. I too wonder if the front cross member is the same for both engines. Is the rear cross member the same for both engines or does that need to be changed out as well?

Nothing is easy.....
 
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Marty,

Yes it is! Please save those mounts for me. I think I can get my brother to pick them up.

NumberDummy, Billy,

It would appear that swapping a six for a 292 will not be as easy as I had hoped. I too wonder if the front cross member is the same for both engines. Is the rear cross member the same for both engines or does that need to be changed out as well?

Nothing is easy.....

I think the frame is the same just the mounts are different according to the Canadian parts manual have only one No.1 and only one No.2 cross member listed.
The frame should be the same regardless if is a V8 or I6
 
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Originally Posted by oldbleu View Post
Marty,

Yes it is! Please save those mounts for me. I think I can get my brother to pick them up.

NumberDummy, Billy,

It would appear that swapping a six for a 292 will not be as easy as I had hoped. I too wonder if the front cross member is the same for both engines. Is the rear cross member the same for both engines or does that need to be changed out as well?

Nothing is easy.....
They should be in the metal pile. I'll dig them out. If you PM your brother's address I can drop them off. Drive though Knight's Landing almost every weekday.
 
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Here is a picture of the front mount on my stock '58 F-100. The engine is a stock 292 Y-block V-8.



The bracket on the front of the engine is also stock. It does not seem to match any of what is shown in the diagrams posted by NumberDummy.

It would appear that the 1958 six cylinder engines used a different front motor mount setup when compared to the V-8 mounts. Anybody got a picture of a six cylinder front mount? All of this makes me wonder if the rear mounts are the same. Did Ford install a different crossmember depending upon if the engine would be a six or an eight?

Inquiring minds want to know......
 
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Here is a picture of the front mount on my stock '58 F-100. The engine is a stock 292 Y-block V-8.



The bracket on the front of the engine is also stock. It does not seem to match any of what is shown in the diagrams posted by NumberDummy.

It would appear that the 1958 six cylinder engines used a different front motor mount setup when compared to the V-8 mounts. Anybody got a picture of a six cylinder front mount? All of this makes me wonder if the rear mounts are the same. Did Ford install a different crossmember depending upon if the engine would be a six or an eight?

Inquiring minds want to know......
The Six cylinder and the V8 used different engine mounting brackets. The Frame/Cross member is the same regardless if is is V8 or V6 truck.

And here is your mount from the parts manual.


 
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OK, great. I think I am closer to understanding all of this. The diagram seems to indicate the 6 cylinder engine also makes use of a different front crossmember. If the 6 cylinder front crossmember is different from the V-8 version, that would probably mean the stock Ford motor mount brackets (5058) will not fit in without some fabrication work.

I now understand that the rear crossmember, which goes under the bellhousing, is the same regardless of what style engine was installed at the factory. That helps narrow things down a bit.

Thanks matthewq4b for your input. I appreciate the reply.
 
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OK, great. I think I am closer to understanding all of this. The diagram seems to indicate the 6 cylinder engine also makes use of a different front crossmember. If the 6 cylinder front crossmember is different from the V-8 version, that would probably mean the stock Ford motor mount brackets (5058) will not fit in without some fabrication work.

I now understand that the rear crossmember, which goes under the bellhousing, is the same regardless of what style engine was installed at the factory. That helps narrow things down a bit.

Thanks matthewq4b for your input. I appreciate the reply.


OK for the third time .

THE CROSSMEMEBRS ARE ALL THE SAME!!!!

There is only ONE part number for each crossmember.

Does not matter if it is an I6 or a V8 THEY USE THE SAME CROSSMEMBERS.
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 08:38 PM
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Got it! Sorry for the confusion. My bad...thanks again!
 
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Thanks Mathew and Bill, good information to store in the gray matter.
 

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