I looked up NADA values for a 2010 F-250 Supercrew with V-10 and Powerstroke. At 75,000 miles.. the Powerstroke was worth $6,500 more.

I seem to recall the V-10 being discounted $15k off at dealerships while the Powerstroke was $5k off (it was a demo, not entirely brand-new).

CAFE.. will Trump remove it? That remains a scenario we need to consider. If Detroit whines loudly enough... that just might happen.

 

It's possible that restricting this engine to the higher trims levels is because of production capacity limitations. I can only hope that this changes in subsequent model years.

The 6.2L V8 was a Lariat and higher option for the 2011-2012 model years, then in '13-14 you could get it in an XLT. It never became a high volume engine, but I think this has the propensity to be depending on reliability and future market conditions.

 

Its tough to look at that data b/c at this point in time, everyone also knows that the V10 vs the 6.4 is the engine to get. Nobody wants a used 6.4 (for really good reason). I'd think the first year of diesel where you can start to compare resale values will be 2011 when it comes to Ford (or go back to the 7.3L days). You have to find a year where both the diesel and gas engines were equally 'good.'

I'm interested in this 3.0 F-150 diesel. If you can get a KR, 6.5' bed 4x4 with the diesel...what would the payload and tow rating be? My guess is Ford is having to do some axle/tire magic to get the GVW up since I'd expect the diesel to be heavier than the 3.5L. If Ford did not do that, then the diesel will not be very useful at the 11.4K lb tow numbers. My trailer is capable of being up to 12k lbs, but I normally stack about 10k in it.

My problem is payload. Nose is heavy and I load the bed too. I don't tow those weights often, but when I do they are over long distances and it has to be that loaded (1k in the truck bed probably).

I think that will continually keep me out of the half ton truck.

 

This is the first detailed info I've seen on the engine.
Specs? impressive, but it's a turbo-diesel so I'd expect that. Likely to be a very good towing engine with such a broad torque band.

Two words .... timing belt. Yuk! Hard to tell exactly about the water pump from the picture, but it also looks tucked away deep inside there. For us DIY guys, simpler is better. I've changed enough timing belts in my lifetime; no more for me.

 

I checked the value of the 2012 XLT supercrew 4x4 with 8-ft bed and 85,581 miles.

$24,907 for the 6.7L diesel and $19,437 for the 6.2L V-8. Difference of $5,470.

I've seen crappy cars enjoy a high resale value. Dodge RAM is a stinking pile of hot turd yet commands a high resale value.

I don't tow big things and I don't drive much so I can't justify the $4,000 difference (which will be much higher after I factor in the $11k discount for the 5.0 V8, then there's the higher trim levels I do not want). I'm probably looking at another $10k of worthless options and we know the higher trim levels don't get discounted as heavily as the XLT.

 

Not as bad as changing a timing chain though I bet. Some people will argue that you never need to change a timing chain. Until you have owned a 5.4 for a long time.

 

And the reply from GM with the Silverado coming at Saturday evening?
I hope that they will relaunch their 510 lb/ft of torque Baby Duramax 4.5 l V8 with CGI in the block. 25 mpg would be stunning or what do you think?

 

I totally agree. I think the diesel was long overdue in a 1/2 ton and will prove to be a financial boom for Ford....provided it is reliable. Hopefully they have learned their lesson from the 6.0.

 

I see this stated all the time. 11,400 lbs has been being towed down the road for years, the new F 150 is not the first truck rated to tow that.

For what its worth the new F 150 has more capable brakes that my 1997 F250 Heavy Duty has.... which has the same rear and front axles and brakes as its 7.3 turbo diesel or 460 counterpart that is also rated to tow 11,400 lbs (or more).

Truth is neither truck will stop that load well at all without working trailer brakes.

 

And that is the real issue with a 1/2 ton Diesel engine. It will get better mileage vs an 3.5 Eco, and maybe able to pull more than the Eco, but your still limited by the size of the Truck and what it can haul. I pulled 12.5k bumper pull with my F250. The truck did it, but it wasn't really fun. It was a triple axel trailer and towed really smooth, but you always knew that it was behind you. Towing a 9k trailer with the f250 was perfect. I believe the current F150's comfortable limit has to be less than 9k.

The main reason I bought my old F250 6.0 was because the K2500 454 that I had, was a dog and got 3.5mpg pulling a 7.5k trailer. OUCH !

Of course then the trailers got bigger and then they started to get smaller.

 

Towing vehicle weight is important too. My Ex with its truly awesome 6.0L is over 8,000 lbs and will get 20 MPG consistently, 14 when towing the 33' camper. It can stop the trailer without trailer brakes but the trailer has a little more push when it does.


I have towed with lighter trucks, I own a Durango that pulls my boat and the heavier truck is far superior over the midsized SUV. I would not object to a F150 to pull my boat and open car trailer but IMO and just my opinion a trailer over 8000 lbs is too much for a smaller truck.

 

If this was available 5 years ago when I bought my last F-150 I probably would have opted for it. Though... I never had any real complaints about the eco, certainly better than the 5.4. It was the rest of the truck that couldn't keep up, and ultimately why I went back to a 350. I used to warp a set of rotors every few months.

It's clear Ford is targeting the MPG factor here, which makes sense. My eco hovered around 12 MPG most of its life, I get 13-14 with the 6.7 under the same conditions. Which is amazing considering the increased power and much heavier truck. I still wouldn't pull more than 8-9k with a 150 though, let alone the 11,400 they are rating it for. I think if you tow frequently, but keep it around 8k or less, this is an excellent option and would best the eco under those conditions.

I'm hesitant to put a lot of stock in the 5% figure, they grossly underestimated the eco when it came out. I think it'll do a little better, but it'll never best the eco options.

As far as fuel tank size, expect disappointment. They've got to fit 5 gallons of def under there too.

 

Not overwhelmed by the new oil burner. The ~ 4K premium buys lots of $2.00 regular gasoline. Its too bad they chose a V design rather than go with a straight 6. I'll stick with my 5.0.

 

Truck isn't designed for an inline engine. The 3.0 was already in the Ford inventory. There is also a 60 degree 4.4 V8 turbo diesel based of the same engine design family.

 

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