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I always assumed the "limiting factor" on an IDI would be air flow. I am never going to replicate the airflow I would have if I had 4 valves per cylinder or stronger head bolts... Mine is 6.9. That said, I would assume that a 6.9 with turbo could still generally build most of it's torque down low, as the head design would limit getting a full clean air charge into the cylinder? Maybe a Cam could fix this with a bit of overlap, but at most I only want 300 horse, that seems plenty to pull anything I should pull. There is no replacement for displacement after all. Big Engine means more down low
What you /really/ get is a case where the turbo sizing factors in to the equasion; with factory turbos or Banks Sidewinder(and actually the same with my S360), you just plain can't make as much boost at 1200 as you can at 1600 which is still less than 2k. Simply because the more air flowing through the engine increases the turbine speed, which increases the boost. Yes, added fuel does help, but you simply aren't going to be making 10 psi of boost at 1200 RPM. 10 psi at 2200 RPM, however, is easy... which is why you end up with this curve where the higher the RPMs are, the more boost, the more fuel burned and the more torque made...
However, counter to this is that as the IP spins faster, it has a harder time providing enough fuel. This is why you tend to hit a "crossover" point around 2800 RPM where IP fueling drops while boost could increase, and you hit your peak HP and torque.
With a 6.9, or something where you artificially limit fuel(to avoid blowing gaskets), you'll find that the torque curve ends up a lot flatter and downward-trending... not because of the engine, but because that's simply the best the IP can push under those conditions.
This is why you'll see a different curve with a stock IP vs a 110cc, because you have limits of fueling instead of air.
I honestly don't think the valves/intake cylinder filling is going to be the limiting factor for any IDI - it's either going to be air supply(boost) or fuel.
(note: be aware that N/A connecting rods turn to taffy at around 450RWHP(probably 600 at the crank)... and yes, it's been done. With head studs, that's still fine, though, even at 45 PSI of boost.)
1. If the valve guides need to be redone, do it. If the guides are tight, just get rid of the seals. With a turbo, you don't /need/ any valve seals, and actually want as much lubrication as you can get. The reason is that you will have positive pressure in both the exhaust and intake manifolds, so instead of trying to suck oil through the guides, it will try to push air(exhaust or boost) /up/ the valve stem instead.
I've done it with no apparent oil usage or smoke.
2. If you replace the valves or have any machine work done, CHECK THE VALVE RECESSION. This is the distance from the bottom of the valve to the deck of the head with the valve closed. It must be in spec(too much is OK, too little... you'll destroy your new heads in short order).
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If anyone ever gives me a 6.0 powered truck I'm swapping in a slant-6.
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i always like these guys that come here to the idi forum and start bashing our engines. especially the cummings guys with their 5000hp 20,000torque engines that get 300mpg.
our newest engine was made 24 years ago.
and most of us still run them in pretty much stock form, or only slightly modified.
we do not need 1000 hp , or 1000 ftlbs torque.
we are quite happy with our slow and reliable old girls.
i have seen so many cummings boyz brag how their gold plated turds are the best thing since sliced bread. and how my pos 88 F-superduty with 495,000 miles on it is not worth driving or owning. even though i am still running my 88 and they are on their 8th or more cummings turd because they blew every one of them up. and my engine has never been opened up. only things done to it were routine maintenance.
i would not hesitate to take my 88 cross country.
actually, i would trust the 88 for a cross country trip before i would trust any of my computerized engine trucks.
our newest engine was made 24 years ago.
and most of us still run them in pretty much stock form, or only slightly modified.
we do not need 1000 hp , or 1000 ftlbs torque.
we are quite happy with our slow and reliable old girls.
i have seen so many cummings boyz brag how their gold plated turds are the best thing since sliced bread. and how my pos 88 F-superduty with 495,000 miles on it is not worth driving or owning. even though i am still running my 88 and they are on their 8th or more cummings turd because they blew every one of them up. and my engine has never been opened up. only things done to it were routine maintenance.
i would not hesitate to take my 88 cross country.
actually, i would trust the 88 for a cross country trip before i would trust any of my computerized engine trucks.
Not a chance in Hell.
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Exactly, that's why I think he's exaggerating...
I plan on getting one someday. Always have had great luck with the slant; had (have) them in cars and vans, but not a truck yet.
We actually had a slant-6 in a truck. '76 D100 shortbed 3-on-the-tree. We parked it when the diff acted up, and bought an '83 F150. Thing sat in the driveway for about 10 years, and cranked on a fresh battery. I'm sure with fresh gas, it would've fired.
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i swapped a 64 273 into it and ran it another 4 years and 184,000 miles before the cab fell off the frame.
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