Running truck with VCT solenoids unplugged
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The question suggests you are ignoring several important points about the variable valve timing.
Oil Pressure and proper routing of oil into the Phaser advance chambers is what moves the phasers to base (No Retard, - or in other words advanced position).
The phasers contain a spring loaded locking pin that captures the phaser at base position (if they fully advance as they should) and holds them there until the PCM calls for retard (via activating the VCT Solenoids) again.
IF oil pressure is able to move phasers to 'base' position, AND if the locking pin captures them there ------ then unplugging them would accomplish the same effect on CAMS (But the PCM senses an open circuit in VCT solenoid and defeats (ceases to activate) Variable Valve Timing. You would have a constant code and PCM probably compensates by limiting certain operations that would effect power. (The Lockouts come with a 'tune' in an attempt to overcome the latter effect).
But IF the above is happening - WHY would one want to install lockouts. That would be locking out a perfectly functioning variable valve system's operation. So if the above are true - it would NOT be reasonable to just run with VCT solenoids unplugged.
On the other hand - IF Oil pressure or routing of oil is UNABLE to advance phasers to base position / or if the spring loaded locking pin is not properly capturing and holding them there --- Unplugging VCT Solenoids would have no effect on the failure. --- So in the second scenario, it would NOT be reasonable to just run with VCT solenoids unplugged, as nothing would be different whether plugged OR unplugged.
Aside from the above logic - I am not a fan of lockouts. They and all their advertising is 'snake oil'. If you have phaser problems - far the most reasonable thing to do is fix them.
Oil Pressure and proper routing of oil into the Phaser advance chambers is what moves the phasers to base (No Retard, - or in other words advanced position).
The phasers contain a spring loaded locking pin that captures the phaser at base position (if they fully advance as they should) and holds them there until the PCM calls for retard (via activating the VCT Solenoids) again.
IF oil pressure is able to move phasers to 'base' position, AND if the locking pin captures them there ------ then unplugging them would accomplish the same effect on CAMS (But the PCM senses an open circuit in VCT solenoid and defeats (ceases to activate) Variable Valve Timing. You would have a constant code and PCM probably compensates by limiting certain operations that would effect power. (The Lockouts come with a 'tune' in an attempt to overcome the latter effect).
But IF the above is happening - WHY would one want to install lockouts. That would be locking out a perfectly functioning variable valve system's operation. So if the above are true - it would NOT be reasonable to just run with VCT solenoids unplugged.
On the other hand - IF Oil pressure or routing of oil is UNABLE to advance phasers to base position / or if the spring loaded locking pin is not properly capturing and holding them there --- Unplugging VCT Solenoids would have no effect on the failure. --- So in the second scenario, it would NOT be reasonable to just run with VCT solenoids unplugged, as nothing would be different whether plugged OR unplugged.
Aside from the above logic - I am not a fan of lockouts. They and all their advertising is 'snake oil'. If you have phaser problems - far the most reasonable thing to do is fix them.
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#4
Anyone considering locking out phasers on the 3 valve 5.4 should monitor OBDII variable valve operation under various driving conditions first. How much and how often retard is requested surprises you.
Anyone that uses the Torque Pro OBDII scanner app can download a 'csv' file containing the Ford Custom PIDs for the variable valve timing system and create a dashboard monitor screen like posted here: https://www.f150forum.com/f4/final-r...4/#post5133357
It will change your perspective of lockouts -- AND can help diagnose Phaser problems too.
Anyone that uses the Torque Pro OBDII scanner app can download a 'csv' file containing the Ford Custom PIDs for the variable valve timing system and create a dashboard monitor screen like posted here: https://www.f150forum.com/f4/final-r...4/#post5133357
It will change your perspective of lockouts -- AND can help diagnose Phaser problems too.
#5
Thanks for the responses. I see I have come to the forum slightly uneducated... lol. I guess with all of the paranoia over cam phasers in the 5.4 3v I had to jump to conclusions and disregard information that can educate me. I realize now that the phasers are very rarely in full advanced position. Locking them out would not only reduce fuel economy but would drastically reduce torque at low rpms under load. Once again I appreciate the responses and information.
thanks,
C
thanks,
C
#7
JP3............ "no problems"........... you should explain that you have put the "lock blocks" inside the gear holes and that you are NOT talking about bypassing the original system by just pulling off the hoses.
KAY----- there are "KITS" to lock the cams timing in one position.. It functions just like a normal motor without VCT... What you DONT want is to remove the hoses and just let the gears randomly move with respect to the cam shafts and vary the timing RANDOMLY.
KAY----- there are "KITS" to lock the cams timing in one position.. It functions just like a normal motor without VCT... What you DONT want is to remove the hoses and just let the gears randomly move with respect to the cam shafts and vary the timing RANDOMLY.
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