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Old 12-05-2017, 07:53 PM
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F450 in the snow?

I'm pretty sure I'm ordering an F350 vs a 450, but I keep wavering. Tire pressure monitors are attractive to me, as well as a slightly softer ride, and avoidance of commercial grade tire costs and availability issues.

One more negative in the 450 column may tip me over: how do the commercial tires handle snow? I'm thinking not too well, especially compared to a 350 with the FX4 package and all terrain tires?

We get snow around our parts.

But the tighter turning radius keeps bringing me back to the 450...

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Old 12-05-2017, 08:41 PM
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Tough call. I decided on the F450.

Turning radius played the biggest part in my decision. Bigger brakes...also ! I like the appearance of the F450 as well.

Living in a high snow area, I plan to try the stock tires with a backup plan to get a second set of rims and Nokian snow tires.

I REALLY wish Ford would put TPMS on the F450. Surely they can come up with sensors for the Alcoa wheels. I need be, I'll get an aftermarket solution.

Anxiously waiting for my F4450!
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:25 PM
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Coming from 2015 F350 dually to my 2017 F450 dually I wouldn't hesitate to get the F450. Duallies can be 'fun' in the snow and it won't matter if it's a 350 or 450. I threw several bags of tube sand in my bed and never had any trouble.... rarely needed 4 x 4 either...and we had our share of snow in West Michigan. Surprisingly the most challenging drives with my dually was on 1/2" or less icy snow at about 32-33 degrees... just enough slippery snow to keep the rear dually tires loose and floaty. Deep snow was no problem. Plus, once you experience the tighter turning radius of the F450 you'll never want to go back to a F350 .
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:28 PM
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The turning radius on the 450 is quite mesmerizing at times. Every time I do a u-turn I cant help but smile
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:33 PM
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Another vote for the 450. I believe the commercial tires are cheaper per mile, especially when loaded. The tight turning radius is very important and the brakes are much larger (50% bigger pad size). The 4.30 gears are fun to drive and great to tow with. Mileage doesn't seem to suffer much from the 500# gain over the F350 DRW and shorter gears; I can get over 750 miles on a tank.
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Old 12-05-2017, 09:43 PM
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We had two F450 cab/chassis trucks at the mine warehouse where I worked...a 2011 and a 2012. Both were equipped with custom flatbeds and Auto Cranes. They were scary to drive in the snow and mud...both loaded and empty. They were terrible on slippery crowned roads. And they ate expensive tires. If I didn't really need the carrying capacity of an F450 I'd seriously consider the F350.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:16 PM
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I had a 2015 F350 dually and traded for a 2017 F450 dually. Both great trucks but I will not go back to the F350. The F450 overall just clearly superior but again both great trucks. Not a lot of difference in the snow between the two in Iowa. Factory tires on both and 750-1000 lbs of weight in the back and really no problems. Tires on F450 wearing very well with 36-37k on them and still more than half wear left.
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Old 12-05-2017, 11:55 PM
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If the tires on the 450 are an issue, many have swapped out the OEM tires for Toyo M920's with good results.

If lack of TPMS is an issue, get something like the ones from TST. They have an internal sensor that is mounted to the wheel barrel with a strap. You can use this to monitor all 6 tires PLUS the tires from whatever trailer you're towing.

https://tsttruck.com/shop.html

The reason to go with the 350 is if you need the higher payload capacity. The 450 has a lower payload due to the heavier duty rear axles. Go figure.
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The reason to go with the 350 is if you need the higher payload capacity. The 450 has a lower payload due to the heavier duty rear axles. Go figure.
I think that the extra 500# is mostly from the wide track front axle, bigger brakes, and heavier tires. The payload is only lower on paper due to Ford keeping the class 3 14k GVWR. If they raised it, we'd lose the higher power 6.7 and have the stricter idle emissions C&C engine.
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I would not worry about how well a 450 goes in the snow. I keep fairly rough tread Dunlop sp461 on my truck and it goes good. Every time I have gotten stuck the 4wd wrecker has had to put on chains to get to me. Sidehills are about the only problem I have with it.
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My next truck very well may be an F450. I
Didnt know they had tighter turning radius'...my f350 is a bitch to do u turns
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Have to agree with TufLuk13...It make me smile as well.

LOVE that turning radius. I am anxious to see how the F450 goes in the snow as well. However, I did swap out the stock Conti's for Toyo M920's.
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Old 12-06-2017, 12:47 PM
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Before I ordered my 2017 F-450, I saw a 2015 or 2016 F-350 dual rear wheel with a wide front track. After asking on this forum about it, someone point out that Ford used to offer wide front track on the F-350 as an option.
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Widetrack is no longer available on the F350.

Thats why all the pluses of the F450, you get the tighter turning, better brakes,

Solve the issue with the M920s and the Aftermarket in tire sensors, get one that can include your trailer and you got it all dealt with when you put on the 920s.

Remember the chassis cab 350 and 450 are de-tuned motor over the truck, so I would get a truck, even if your taking the box off and adding a flat deck.
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Old 12-06-2017, 03:10 PM
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So, good in the snow or not?

I have an EezTire TPMS but Iím trying to avoid more clutter in the cabin. Not sure the sensors from that system can integrate with the factory monitor, assuming you can turn it on FORscan?

Building a 2018 online shows more aggressive tread pattern, is that just stock tire photography from an F350?

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