My diesel used DEF and it was the most unreliable vehicle I have ever owned. I made the switch for a reason. I'm done with the over complicated modern diesel engines! Way to much that can go wrong and trust me things do go wrong and when they do it's costly!

 

Thank you blue6.2. some diesel guys just need to troll the 6.2 section to make themselves feel better about their decision. He has a history of it. It's not like the issues are a big secret.

The 6.7 really is a good engine, and the power is unreal. But it's just obvious that it has more issues than the 6.2, and it's not uncommon to have repair bills that would buy a brand new 6.2 crate motor with change for a real nice family vacation.

 

 

I wont lie, on occasion I miss the torque but I don't miss the maintenance cost. Every day driving performance, I like my 2017 6.2L.

 

The main issue with all the hateful emissions is NOT the diesel particulate filter or even the selective catalytic regeneration (DEF), it is the exhaust gas recirculation.

Bad as the former items are, the really bad thing is piping diesel exhaust back into the intake to oxygen scavenge the fuel / air charge thus reducing oxides of nitrogen. Great analogy would be a human smoking 4 packs of cigs a day. Same thing putting diesel exhaust into the intake of a diesel engine. That is why all the manufacturers went to 6.7 litre displacements. Because the EGR was killing performance and so they had to go bigger to get the power back up.

Last big issue with the emissions is AFTER THE WARRANTY IS UP. Yes can buy extended warranty coverage. For a price. Yes can trade in ahead of warranty expiration. For a price. But when that stuff breaks (it does) it is super expensive to repair.

If not towing > 15k all the time, one has to question the validity of diesel power with all the BS emissions junk. Sad but true.

 

Well said.

 

I had 2008 Ram where they had DPFs EGR and no DEF. We also had a 14 that had all that junk and DEF and to me it was an "improvement"

I will never ever again buy a diesel that has all that junk on it

 

 

You know what's messed up is I was gonna be Mr Diesel so I scoured all the technical information I could. It really was a reconfiguration of what our family fleet was going to be and I was never turning back. I thought parts simply got changed and with maintenance and some youtube (RIP Ron you are the man!!!) shade tree I could accomplish a lot. That being said: what blew my mind was how many threads I read about people changing injectors and being unable to get their truck to run right again.....and further more there is no agreement on whether remans will suffice or you have to have brand new. Yahiko and the crew I welcome yall to chime in I encourage yalls efforts. The 6.0 guys do a lot of heavy lifting in their section they have nothing less than all my respect.

 

Yes I've reported my diesel experience here as you like to hide in this forum and bash the 6.7 with an agenda to support your purchase.


I'm out of warranty with a great truck and will likely enjoy another 100k reliable miles from my medium duty 6.7PSD engine.


I read several forums here and I don't ever read the trolling like Ron94150 does in the ~17 years I've been hear. Sorry my 6.7PSD experience doesn't meet your agenda and I've never bashed the 6.2 gas but I'm simply calling you out..... A Troll

 

I would never recommend a 6.0 or a 6.4


BTW and that's coming from a owner of a 05 6.0 that I traded in with 170k miles with very little problems.

 

I hardly ever visit anything besides the 6.2 and 99-16 superduty section? I would say 95% of my post have been in those sections, or my short stint in the f150 section when I had one. How the hell am I trolling? You have been in here multiple times trying to disrupt our threads. I've tried to post helpful info, not inflict controversy. Not saying it's never ended with it. Anyone can call some one out through a keyboard..,,,

 

I can't take this anymore. You are the better definition of a troll. You pop in here, never owning a 6.2 to cause a raucous. Ron posts legitimate info based on trucks he has owned, as do I. I had a 2014 6.7 and it was my last diesel to date. I don't jump in the 6.7 section to enjoy the pain many owners suffer from and post up on that. The majority of proud 6.2 owners have once been diesel guys, like myself. The simple fact is if you buy a new SuperDuty, you have 99 to 1 odds of having an issue with a diesel vs. a gas.

 

I'm watching the 6.2 section and hopefully the 7.3 (gas) section very carefully. My next truck might be gas if Ford or Ram put a 10 speed behind it. I think a modern gas engine with 400+ ft lbs of torque that can always be in its power band when towing will work just fine.

That is, unless Ford or Ram decides to charge a 2k premium for that powertrain combination. Right now I'm mainly paying for the performance of the diesel engine because I know I'll less than likely get all of my money out of the resale / mileage. If the gas can get a few more gear ratios to keep it in its narrow power band (compared to a diesel), than I think the switch will be very easy for me (saving $8k on purchase price is a big deal plus the obligatory extended warranty I always buy for the diesel).

 

Everyone just take a step back from the keyboard, take a deep breath, and relax.

Then you haven't been listening/reading. The V10 forum was rife with diesel bashing back when the 6.0 first came out. A lot of people jumped from diesel to gas around that time, and a lot of the talk was in the Superduty forum. And a lot of stuff has been said about the diesel subject all over the place here at FTE. Ron hasn't been trolling - he doesn't go into the 6.7L forum and bash, does he?

He has exactly EIGHT posts in the 6.0/6.4/6.7 forums, and he was helpful in all of them - I suspect one of them was a move from the Superduty forum before it wound up in the 6.7L forum. Otherwise, he would probably not have posted at all.

See below for links if you don't believe me.

Long gone are the days of the gas vs. diesel flame wars, and I'd like to keep it that way. Much like the V10 forum, the 6.2L forum has grown to be a bunch of guys who like to commiserate about their diesel experiences and move on with a Ford truck that meets their needs, and doesn't give up on them when they need it the most. True, not all diesels are problem children. But the failure rate is higher than a gasser, and if a gasser does the job, why the heck is that a problem for you?

I'm glad you like your 6.7L. It's the blue oval on the back and front of the truck that counts here at FTE. If you don't like gassers bashing your beloved diesel, you don't need to listen.

You are free to go back to whatever forum you visit most frequently, but you really have no business being here in the 6.2L forum, and especially not in this thread.

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Ron's posts in the diesel forums:

Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 10-20-2017, 08:05 PM Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 01-27-2017, 06:52 PM Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 01-25-2017, 08:43 PM Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 01-25-2017, 12:32 PM Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 01-25-2017, 09:19 AM Forum: 6.7L Power Stroke Diesel 01-25-2017, 07:41 AM Forum: 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 12-05-2015, 06:32 AM Forum: 6.0L Power Stroke Diesel 11-24-2015, 02:46 PM