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Old 09-11-2017, 09:27 PM
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'17 first oil change

Some thoughts and observations.
I jumped up from a '13 so some of this will not be new.
It was my first time under this truck.

The sound panel now takes a 5/16" socket to remove.

Both the transmission pan and the oil pan are composite.

The oil pan has the plastic plug similar to the '11 6.7 except, it is not made for a ratchet. It does have a "wing" of sorts. Easy enough to remove. My go to tool for this will be a pair of smooth jaw channel locks. You only need to move it past the catch (1/8"). Reinstall by hand.

The flexible panel behind the air dam is gone. Much easier to get to the oil filter.

The coolant line connectors to the turbo's are a different design.

The frame is much larger than the '13.

Front brakes look much larger.

Rear brakes are single piston and rotors are vented.

Factory oil filter slightly larger... no more than 10%.

Truck had 9588 miles and 7% oil life left.
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Old 09-11-2017, 10:07 PM
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Highway driving or city? Staying with motorcraft filters and oil? Wasn't your first change included from your dealer?
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Mostly highway.
Magnatec 5/30, FL500s

For me, its easier to do it myself than arrange to go to the dealer.... and I live fairly close to them.
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Thanks for the great report! However, I'd be negligent if I didn't take the time to recommend a more frequent dump cycle as the engine is largely unchanged since 2011.
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Old 09-12-2017, 08:27 AM
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3.5 ecoboost? I changed my wife's oil first at 3,000 ('17 5.0). I realize it probably wasn't necessary but eh. The 5.0 dose not have any plastic to remove in order to change the oil thankfully. Her 2013 Mustang GT required dropping some shielding though.

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Old 09-12-2017, 09:29 AM
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Just curious -- does the 3.5eco have the same "let it drain for 15-20min" thing that we have with the 2.7?

At first I thought that was annoying, but I found it's not a big deal because it takes me 20 minutes to install that one O-ring on the oil filter.
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I did my first oil change at 4500 miles, I now have 7000. I will do my own oil changes every time, if not for anything else, peace of mind. I have read where folks were taking their trucks to these oil change places and the technicians were overfilling them. You have to wait at least 15 minutes when you're draining the oil with these ecoboost engines, and some of these mechanics are apparently not aware of that. I wait for 30 minutes, put 6 quarts of fully synthetic Pennzoil platinum in, and call it a day. The oil level ends up right on the full line.
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Thanks for the great report! However, I'd be negligent if I didn't take the time to recommend a more frequent dump cycle as the engine is largely unchanged since 2011.


Ummm...the 2017 3.5 EB is drastically changed from the '11 - '16 ecoBoost. These are the Gen 2 engines.


While I do all oil changes myself, my dealer won't do the freebe oil change unless the oil life monitor is under 15%.
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Ummm...the 2017 3.5 EB is drastically changed from the '11 - '16 ecoBoost. These are the Gen 2 engines.


While I do all oil changes myself, my dealer won't do the freebe oil change unless the oil life monitor is under 15%.
I thought the Gen 2 went to the Raptor for 2017 and the regular F-150's in 2018.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, no harm done. But, the new engines still have a long timing chain and cam phasers which is what's being most adversely affected by infrequent oil changes.
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I thought the Gen 2 went to the Raptor for 2017 and the regular F-150's in 2018.

If I'm wrong I'm wrong, no harm done. But, the new engines still have a long timing chain and cam phasers which is what's being most adversely affected by infrequent oil changes.
2nd gen 3.5EB in 2017 Regular F150 as well as the Raptor.
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Since 90% of our driving is city stop/go I don't pay much attention to dealer recommended oil changes. Our 2 Hondas and my 56 ford is once a year and for two of them that's not 3k miles. My pickup are never over 5k for an oil change and usually at 3k not matter what anyone says. I know I'll get a free one with the 2018 but we are going to Fl from Ca over Christmas and will have it for 2 months before we leave. That will 1500 miles if I'm lucky but I'll change it before we will leave. I like to change the first one early and cut open the filter.
As a side note we left on a 3k road trip with our 13 just before selling it. When we left the oil said 47%; after 3k mile and some at 8000 feet and 800 miles at over 105* outside temp it said 46%.
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Correct, The '17 is the second gen 3.5 w/ 10spd tranny.

Oil changes seem to be a real personal issue for some folks.
I drive around 35k a year. 5k oil changes would be every other month.
When I bought the '13, being an old diesel guy, I kept doing UOA's.
The '13 is well documented here https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...ec#Post4315035.

10k oil changes are fine for me and my driving style/situation.

And yea, it drains a while.
I may go back to jack stands and rotate the tires during the drain.
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Great info, not only in your post, but especially in the BITOG post. Amazing tracking of your UOAs. I hope to have the same in another two years!
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Great info, not only in your post, but especially in the BITOG post. Amazing tracking of your UOAs. I hope to have the same in another two years!
Thanks.

When you know what's going on, it gives you much more confidence in your routine.

I had 9 yrs of UOA's on my 7.3 when it was stolen.
I used them as evidence to get the insurance company to up their offer.
Got it up from $5500 to $12,300.
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My dealer does 5 months or 5,000 miles whichever comes first even on the freeby oil changes! Took them 2 years to get me off of 3 months or 3,000 miles. Hey, i put 350,000 + miles on a 1985 Ford F150 with the 351 HO motor and never turn a bolt on the engine. I had several others that were 200,000+ with no major engine work. I had a 78 F250 300 6 cyl that I dont know for sure how many miles it had I put 2 speedometers in it and 3 cables. I did on the road service work while I had those 2 pickups.
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