Distributor vacuum 78 302
#31
#32
Don't sweat it, you can run either ported or manifold vacuum source. It's not that big a deal. Just take the time to set it up correctly. The initial or idle timing is just part of it. Here's a really good overview of what you're trying to achieve.
http://www.gofastforless.com/ignition/advance.htm
http://www.gofastforless.com/ignition/advance.htm
#33
Originally Posted by KULTULZ;Post #21 09-20-2017 05:32PM Sun Coming Up
Do me a favor if you will. On the take-out DIST there will be I.D. Nos. on the bowl right at the vacuum canister. Can you post those? I need to learn how this system works.
If you still have the take-out distributor, there are ID Nos on it (similar to carb tag). Can you post them?
Also, is there a decal on the left rocker cover with a bunch of info on it?
#34
The distributor I removed has 12127 on it and is a motorcraft
No sticker on the vavle cover.
Just was messing with the truck got it idling good set the timing with vacuum unplugged and pluggged. When i plug the vacuum back up to the distributor the idle goes up alot(no RPM gauge) the truck idles good and has good throttle response but sputters and no power when I try to drive it.
No sticker on the vavle cover.
Just was messing with the truck got it idling good set the timing with vacuum unplugged and pluggged. When i plug the vacuum back up to the distributor the idle goes up alot(no RPM gauge) the truck idles good and has good throttle response but sputters and no power when I try to drive it.
#35
12127 is the Ford part # for a distributor, they all say that. Need the prefix and the rest of it to decode.
What does the mechanical advance top out at on the damper at say 3000 RPM or so? That's the number you're interested in. For test purposes adjust the distributor to 36° BTDC at 3000 RPM, make sure it's done advancing all the way. Remember, vacuum advance disconnected and plugged. If the damper is horked, the timing marks won't be accurate. Common problem.
When hooked up to manifold vacuum the idle RPM is going to go up quite a bit, because the ignition advance just got goosed another 20°, back off on the idle RPM screw to 550-650 etc. May be difficult to get a steady idle. That's why ported vacuum was invented in the first place. You'll see a lot of ignition advance at idle, maybe 30° to 35° on the damper. This is no problem as there is no load on the engine at idle. Under load the vacuum advance goes bye-bye till the engine load levels back off at steady speeds and manifold comes back up. Focus on getting the mechanical setup right first. Leave the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged while setting up the distributor, take your test drives etc. When satisfied that it's running well re-connect the vacuum can and dial the vacuum advance in.
What does the mechanical advance top out at on the damper at say 3000 RPM or so? That's the number you're interested in. For test purposes adjust the distributor to 36° BTDC at 3000 RPM, make sure it's done advancing all the way. Remember, vacuum advance disconnected and plugged. If the damper is horked, the timing marks won't be accurate. Common problem.
When hooked up to manifold vacuum the idle RPM is going to go up quite a bit, because the ignition advance just got goosed another 20°, back off on the idle RPM screw to 550-650 etc. May be difficult to get a steady idle. That's why ported vacuum was invented in the first place. You'll see a lot of ignition advance at idle, maybe 30° to 35° on the damper. This is no problem as there is no load on the engine at idle. Under load the vacuum advance goes bye-bye till the engine load levels back off at steady speeds and manifold comes back up. Focus on getting the mechanical setup right first. Leave the vacuum advance disconnected and plugged while setting up the distributor, take your test drives etc. When satisfied that it's running well re-connect the vacuum can and dial the vacuum advance in.
#36
Just was messing with the truck got it idling good set the timing with vacuum unplugged and pluggged. When i plug the vacuum back up to the distributor the idle goes up alot(no RPM gauge) the truck idles good and has good throttle response but sputters and no power when I try to drive it.
#37
I dont see any otehr numbers.
I got a new issue so this one is on the back burner. Zero compression on number #2
It started running really ruff so I did a compression test all were about 140-150 but #2 big fat ZERO
Pulled the valve cover rockers move up and down i can see piston going up and down, the vavle springs look good rockers are not loose and look like they are even.
What next?
Remove head?
I got a new issue so this one is on the back burner. Zero compression on number #2
It started running really ruff so I did a compression test all were about 140-150 but #2 big fat ZERO
Pulled the valve cover rockers move up and down i can see piston going up and down, the vavle springs look good rockers are not loose and look like they are even.
What next?
Remove head?
#38
I dont see any otehr numbers.
I got a new issue so this one is on the back burner. Zero compression on number #2
It started running really ruff so I did a compression test all were about 140-150 but #2 big fat ZERO
Pulled the valve cover rockers move up and down i can see piston going up and down, the vavle springs look good rockers are not loose and look like they are even.
What next?
Remove head?
I got a new issue so this one is on the back burner. Zero compression on number #2
It started running really ruff so I did a compression test all were about 140-150 but #2 big fat ZERO
Pulled the valve cover rockers move up and down i can see piston going up and down, the vavle springs look good rockers are not loose and look like they are even.
What next?
Remove head?
Hook shop air to that cylinder through the spark plug hole in number 2 to pin it down. Make sure engine is TDC compression on Cyl 2
Hissing in the Carb/intake, bad intake valve.
Hissing in the crank case (can be heard though oil fill. Broken rings.
Hissing in the exhaust burnt exhaust valve.
#39
#40
No...something more like what is shown below.
Certain years had the vacuum schematic separate from that decal, maybe on the rocker cover(s), hood or core support.
Are those the original rocker covers? The Calib Code ain't jiving...
I have been trying to figure this arrangement out. Might have to buy a shop manual to satisfy my curiosity. The advance diaphragm being signaled from man vacuum has me confused...
It seems like an old LOAD-O-MATIC System-
Certain years had the vacuum schematic separate from that decal, maybe on the rocker cover(s), hood or core support.
Are those the original rocker covers? The Calib Code ain't jiving...
I have been trying to figure this arrangement out. Might have to buy a shop manual to satisfy my curiosity. The advance diaphragm being signaled from man vacuum has me confused...
It seems like an old LOAD-O-MATIC System-
#41
No...something more like what is shown below.
Certain years had the vacuum schematic separate from that decal, maybe on the rocker cover(s), hood or core support.
Are those the original rocker covers? The Calib Code ain't jiving...
I have been trying to figure this arrangement out. Might have to buy a shop manual to satisfy my curiosity. The advance diaphragm being signaled from man vacuum has me confused...
It seems like an old LOAD-O-MATIC System-
Certain years had the vacuum schematic separate from that decal, maybe on the rocker cover(s), hood or core support.
Are those the original rocker covers? The Calib Code ain't jiving...
I have been trying to figure this arrangement out. Might have to buy a shop manual to satisfy my curiosity. The advance diaphragm being signaled from man vacuum has me confused...
It seems like an old LOAD-O-MATIC System-
This is just a straight manifold vacuum set up. There were calibrations that did this. But they were few and far between.
The truck may not be from Canada but who knows what has been done to the truck in the last 40 years.
#42
I have a two port vacuum on the back of the intake manifold. Actually just broke it off it was very fragile to the right of the vacuum tree. One port a line comes off and t's one side goes to the distrubutor and the other to the vacuum tree on the back of the intake.
The other goes to the switch on the drivers side valve cover. The connection looks to be a factory connector. i snap a pic.
So it seems to me my truck is suppose to run off of manifold vacuum. Maybe i got the wrong distributor or are they all the same? I just replaced it becasue the diaphram was not working.
...now that was moronic...
He replaced the distributor...
The original distributor was most likely exchanged, so there went the I.D. No. (and explains the missing replacing component ID
No.) to prevent any chance (other than Carb I.D. No.) of getting into the Calibration Parts List (the hard way) for the vehicle.
#43
IF IT WERE MINE
Unless you are in a state that has harsh emission laws, I would find another model 2150 with a spark port and use it.
The old argument of manifold/ported vacuum source has no bearing here as the signal is obviously modulated in some fashion (rocker cover mounted solenoid and VOTM), and I seriously doubt service replacement parts are still available.
There is a ported vacuum signal @ idle as you are instructed to remove that source when setting timing. Again, no need for argument. The spark port was not provided on this particular calibration carb to prevent emission calibration tampering.
This is some special setup that I have never come across personally (other than seventies GM).
I am thinking... ... that this is one of those applications that has a stepped up idle while running and unless the throttle solenoid circuit works properly will causing dieseling at shut-off.
DO NOT SH!AT-CAN the original carb as you may need it sometime in the future.
The old argument of manifold/ported vacuum source has no bearing here as the signal is obviously modulated in some fashion (rocker cover mounted solenoid and VOTM), and I seriously doubt service replacement parts are still available.
There is a ported vacuum signal @ idle as you are instructed to remove that source when setting timing. Again, no need for argument. The spark port was not provided on this particular calibration carb to prevent emission calibration tampering.
This is some special setup that I have never come across personally (other than seventies GM).
I am thinking... ... that this is one of those applications that has a stepped up idle while running and unless the throttle solenoid circuit works properly will causing dieseling at shut-off.
DO NOT SH!AT-CAN the original carb as you may need it sometime in the future.
#44
Thanks for the info. I didnt find any other stickers.
Most likely not oringal motor and trans in truck. Heads have smog hole on back and were plugged one with a fuel pump delete cover and the other was just cripped off. Trans has grease pencil in yellow saying 72 my truck is 78.
Trying to put a edelbrock performer and holley 4 barrel on it but gotta get the funds.
Truck bent a vavle and i pulled motor and trans. Got a roller 302 from a 92 tbird to replace it. Gather parts and cleaning up everything to go back in.
Most likely not oringal motor and trans in truck. Heads have smog hole on back and were plugged one with a fuel pump delete cover and the other was just cripped off. Trans has grease pencil in yellow saying 72 my truck is 78.
Trying to put a edelbrock performer and holley 4 barrel on it but gotta get the funds.
Truck bent a vavle and i pulled motor and trans. Got a roller 302 from a 92 tbird to replace it. Gather parts and cleaning up everything to go back in.
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