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Old 12-08-2017, 07:48 AM
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Looks good. Was this CJ-4 or CK-4? I had an oil changed away from home on a towing trip and bought PBX CK-4. Ford Quick Lane in Richmond VA refused to do it as it was their policy to not use customer supplied oil, but they had no 5W40 specified for towing and said they would have to order it after I had just spent $100 on the PBX. Had them change fuel filters and crossed the street to Midas for the oil change.
 
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Looks good. Was this CJ-4 or CK-4? I had an oil changed way from home on a towing trip and bought PBX CK-4. Ford Quick Lane in Richmond VA refused to do it as it was their policy to not use customer supplied oil, but they had no 5W40 specified for towing and said they would have to order it after I had just spent $100 on the PBX. Had them change fuel filters and crossed the street to Midas for the oil change.
This was CJ-4.
 
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40k on the clock, this oil change was about 50/50 towing 18k toy hauler

 
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Jim, is your Rotella T6 the CK-4 or CJ-4 formulation? I'm guessing it's CK-4 since your phosphorus is almost 200 points lower than the universal average which is probably mostly CJ-4. I've been watching these reports to see how much lower the phosphorus is on the CK-4 formulation.
 
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Jim, is your Rotella T6 the CK-4 or CJ-4 formulation? I'm guessing it's CK-4 since your phosphorus is almost 200 points lower than the universal average which is probably mostly CJ-4. I've been watching these reports to see how much lower the phosphorus is on the CK-4 formulation.
Pretty sure the oil is the exact same formula with those, it just got approved for the Ford list, so got the additional stamp placed on it.
 
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Jim, is your Rotella T6 the CK-4 or CJ-4 formulation? I'm guessing it's CK-4 since your phosphorus is almost 200 points lower than the universal average which is probably mostly CJ-4. I've been watching these reports to see how much lower the phosphorus is on the CK-4 formulation.
I believe it was the old CK-4. I didn't learn about this issue until after I had changed the oil with the T6 on the above mentioned report. This change I used Motorcraft Synthetic 5W40. I might stick with the Motorcraft, havent decided yet... I still have about 5,000 miles to figure it out...
 
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I just got my latest oil analysis back from Blackstone. This engine is shaping up nicely. I did have about 1,000 of these miles as towing miles. I have a 10,000 lb travel trailer.

Pretty happy so far with the AMSOIL (which meets the F1 standard) and how well the analysis c

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Is anyone from Canada doing any oil analysis with Blackstone?

I'm coming up on 98K kilometers, which means I'll break 100k on this oil change. I've documented every oil change so I'd have to pull up the specifics but I did an oil change with T5 at roughly 2500kms, and have been using T6 every oil change after, at intervals between 8-11k. I'd like to know how I've been shaping up, especially since I've been using the old Rotella formulation up until recent as I was buying them by the box of 3.

Mechanically, my 6.7 is strong and has been reliable! It would be nice to know if the oil can tell me the same thing.
 
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I was reading through some of the posted UOA's and I wondered are you guys really changing oil as soon as 4,500 mi.-5,500 mi.? If so is the IOLM instructing you to do so?

On my '15 I follow the IOLM and it generally takes me to 9,500 mi.-10,000 mi. I run 10w-30 and pull a UOA at every OC. I am somewhat surprised reading what has been posted as my wear numbers are much lower than any UOA here.

I am unable to scan and post, but I can share a link to my latest UOA,https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ub...owerstroke_UOA
 
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Just by looking at the phosphorus I would guess that John Deere oil does not meet the new F1 standard from Ford.

On new engines I change it out a but early for the first few changes. The one I’m currently on I will go 7,000.
 
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The Deere oil is still CJ-4
 
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I hear ya. Just not all CJ-4’s meet the F1 specs. Your wear metals look good....especially if the testing facility is using methods comparable to Blackstone.

Phosphorus is an anti wear additive and ford increased this level due to additional wear I believe in the valves. So keep an eye on those related metals at a min.
 
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I hear ya. Just not all CJ-4ís meet the F1 specs. Your wear metals look good....especially if the testing facility is using methods comparable to Blackstone.

Phosphorus is an anti wear additive and ford increased this level due to additional wear I believe in the valves. So keep an eye on those related metals at a min.

All CJ-4 oil meets the Ford spec, its the CK-4 lube that has to meet the newer F1 spec from Ford.
 
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Originally Posted by roadrunner01 View Post
I was reading through some of the posted UOA's and I wondered are you guys really changing oil as soon as 4,500 mi.-5,500 mi.? If so is the IOLM instructing you to do so?
Yes, I do. No the IOLM does not notify me at these intervals. I change every 5000 miles because I tow a trailer daily with my truck which by following the diesel supplement manual puts me in the severe duty service intervals. My UOA will be higher than others because my motor is still breaking in, currently at 12,000 miles.
 
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I may be wrong, but I don't believe that Ford increased the desirable level. I think the EPA reduced the Phos levels allowable,claiming cat converter damage, and the ck-4 oils have reduced Phos levels and Ford isn't happy with the amount??? They would like to see above 1000ppm.
 

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