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Old 08-30-2017, 11:25 PM
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2017 F250 5er tow capacity help?

Greetings all! First post here so I apologize if it was brought up in another thread. I'm needing some help with my F250 max towing capability on a new 5er. Keep getting conflicting data.

I have a 17' F250 4x4 Lariat 6.7L SRW with
th 3.55. 6.3/4 bed Crew Cab.This is my first diesel and loving it. I'm looking at a Genesis supreme 28cr 5th wheel toy hauler. Approx 28-20'. Weight is 8960 LBS DRY WEIGHT according to website dealer says 9500lbs and 13,800LBS GVWR. Will be loading a 17 rzr 4 900 which is about 1475lbs.

when I bought the truck dealer said "Oh yeah it will tow 18k lbs" looking at the ford site it's showing more like 13k but varies yo 12k lbs? I have the basic tow package for it now. I even called Ford and they weren't sure.

Question is am I going to have any issues with towing this....? Trying to get more of an answer before I pull the trigger on the 5er. Will I be over? Will the truck have problems towing it. Not even sure what the pin weight is in the trailer and if the truck can handle that. I'm at a loss for all the GVW, GVWR Combines etc...

Any help would be appreciated
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:54 PM
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I say tow it.

The 5th wheel towing spec for 2017 F250 actually went down from 15,500 in 2016 to 14,700 in 2017. No idea why. So you can tow 14,700 and you say the trailer maxes out at 13,800.

You will likely be over on the GVWR of the truck itself(10,000). Thats the weight of the fifth wheel pin weight on your rear axle, the truck itself, cargo, and all passengers. Your truck weighs somewhere in the neighborhood of 7800lbs dry. Add a couple passengers, the pin weight of the 5th wheel (Estimate 2400lbs from genesis website), the 5th wheel hitch itself, full fuel, and cargo and you will likely be around 1200 lbs over. This is not a big deal and could likely be remedied with air bags or some other load leveling suspension upgrade. Keep in mind the legal implications of exceeding a weight limit on your vehicle.

To summarize the truck will do it....very easily and safely in fact. However, you will likely be over on the GVWR of the truck. Good luck!!
 
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Old 08-30-2017, 11:59 PM
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Payload Vs Pin weight

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Old 08-31-2017, 12:11 AM
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Great thank you for the input. I though FORD boosted up the towing capacity with this new 2017 re-design, guess not. I just want to be able to tow safely and legally. I'll have to look into some Firestone Riderites
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 12:46 AM
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Add the air bags and the safely part is taken care of. With air bags your 250 is easily equivalent to the 350 SRW stock which gets you the additional 1200 or so lbs of GVWR you need with room to spare. As far as legally goes you'll be over. I've been towing for a long time now and I've never been pulled over in a pickup to weigh in but that's just me.
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 11:36 AM
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if you order the 28CR without the front slide you will save 400 pounds on pin weight, it will be right at 2000 pound pin..
You will get the stand up cabinet like on the right side of the bed instead of the dresser...
Our 250 is 2800 on load capacity and we are upgrading from a bumper pull to the same unit so I did some checking with the factory and this is what I was told..

They are going to build a 29CK with a 1950 pd pin which is close to the 28CR with no slides.
You can also order the 29CK with the 50 amp service

We are ordering the 28CR without either slide, we definitely want the 50 amp service with two AC's..

The Geneses bumper pull we have has been a solid unit with no issues..

Good luck..
 
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Old 08-31-2017, 03:30 PM
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THEGRAYRIDER-thanks for the input. We are actually getting the 28cr without the front slide, supposed to be picking it up tomorrow. Im surprised its the shortest Toyhauler from that line but has the heaviest pin weight. Its good to know ill be saving 400lbs just from that front slide.
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 07:06 PM
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Jack is right, payload is the first number you will exceed. You also need to remember that the pin or hitch weight that the trailer manufacturer gives you is a fairy tale and the dry weight is meaninglessness.
Did you ever get any real weights for your truck and trailer?
 
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I did find on another forum that "legally" applies to the GVWR the truck was licensed for.. F250 = 10K.. The yellow door sticker is not what the vehicle was registered for..
Also tires with highest load rating would be a good deal..
 
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:51 PM
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Toy haulers have a tendency to lose pin weight as you add things to the garage so with the razor onboard your pin will probably lighten up a bit.
 
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Old 01-18-2018, 07:52 PM
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Tire loading

On my '17 F250 the tire rating (yellow & white sticker on the door) says I'm limited to a max. truck load of 2,044 lbs. When you factor in a couple of people and the weight of the 5th wheel hitch it doesn't leave much left for pin weight. Everyone talks about GVWR, GCWR, Max tow rating but the tires are my limiting factor. Why isn't this talked about more?
 
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Old 01-18-2018, 09:23 PM
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Originally Posted by little.eddie View Post
On my '17 F250 the tire rating (yellow & white sticker on the door) says I'm limited to a max. truck load of 2,044 lbs. When you factor in a couple of people and the weight of the 5th wheel hitch it doesn't leave much left for pin weight. Everyone talks about GVWR, GCWR, Max tow rating but the tires are my limiting factor. Why isn't this talked about more?
You must be reading something wrong. My factory tires can carry around 14,000 lbs while my gvwr is only 10,000.
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by little.eddie View Post
On my '17 F250 the tire rating (yellow & white sticker on the door) says I'm limited to a max. truck load of 2,044 lbs. When you factor in a couple of people and the weight of the 5th wheel hitch it doesn't leave much left for pin weight. Everyone talks about GVWR, GCWR, Max tow rating but the tires are my limiting factor. Why isn't this talked about more?
I think that yellow sticker shows payload capacity which is the difference between 10k lbs and your curb weight on an f250.
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 11:40 AM
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As you can see this label clearly says I cannot exceed 2,044 lbs of weight in the truck. My GVWR is 10,000lbs. And it shows a max payload of 3,450lbs in the tech specs. So it looks to me that the tire rating is limiting what I can put in the truck.

2,044 minus 400# for people/stuff minus ~220# for hitch = max ~1424# for trailer pin.

Am I looking at this wrong? If so please explain.
 
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Old 01-19-2018, 12:00 PM
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It's not the tires. Look on the sidewall of your tires and it will give you the max load for the tire at the max pressure. I have the 20" Michelins and mine are rated at 3750#. Multiply x4 and that exceeds the vehicle GVWR of 10k.
 
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