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Old 08-12-2017, 05:08 PM
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Although Ford has the lead in pickup trucks, GM has the lead in big SUV's and has for a long time. Based on Wiki figures, in 1999, the top year for the Expy, Ford sold 233,000 of them, which is a lot. Chevy sold 175k Tahoe/Yukons that year BUT they also sold 185k Suburbans. Again, I think the history of the Suburban (goes back to 1935) gives GM the Mojo advantage there. And there is something about the looks that GM keeps getting right. Classy but tough. My bro-in-law is a Ford truck guy and has a diesel F250....but he just bought a new family "car" which is a Tahoe.

Not sure what living in the suburbs has to do with wanting a 5.0 instead of a 3.5 EB....

We shall see how well Ford does with the 2018 Expedition and the new Ranger/Bronco. GM does not have a competitor to the new Bronco.

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The 5.0 is a better engine choice for short trips with stop and go driving. In my opinion that type of use isn't good for an EcoBoost. Actually it isn't good for any engine, but a naturally aspirated engine is the better choice for that use.
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Old 08-13-2017, 05:49 AM
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Well, Tim, in 2016 the GM Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban sold 250k in the US with pretty much one engine, the 5.3 (exception is the 6.2 in the Yukon Denali) compared to 60k sales for the Expy. But Expy sales were up a LOT, probably due to cheap gasoline.

I really don't think the engine is the reason. Do you think customers would have wanted a smaller engine in the pre-2015 Expy? Or maybe the 6.2? I suppose a V8 offering in 2015 and later would have sold a few more, but not that many. It may be the $60k price for basically a 1997 chassis, and a big part of it is simply "fashion"...the GM offerings seem to have the "look" and snob appeal in the affluent areas around me. Rich moms drive their kids to school in big GM SUV's and I have to say that I like the looks myself. The US government uses big GM for their Secret Service cars and that may give them some subliminal advertising.

I do agree that the Ranger will need more than one engine for the different price points it should hit, and the different usage that people will buy it for. Guessing the engine offerings will expand as sales sort themselves out. I sure hope Ford does well with it. Ford is pushing the EB engine hard, just like it pushed overhead cams in the late 90's and through the 2000's....even when engines did NOT need them. (The Mod Motors for the most part were long stroke, slow revving motors in truck applications....)

US sales 2016 Large SUV segment - carsalesbase.com
Not trying to derail this thread but merely to make a point.

Top 10 Best-Selling SUVs In America - 2004 Year End - GOOD CAR BAD CAR

2003/04 were good years for the Expy. At that time they offered two engines, the 4.6L which I have in my 2004 and the 5.4L. The highest trim level at the time was an Eddie Bauer which was quite well equipped.

Ford clearly screwed the pooch on that one and they're unrelenting arrogance will lead them down that same road again and again.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:26 AM
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But add the Suburban (aka Tahoe EL) to these numbers and the Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban sales dwarf the Expy and always have. I don't think the 4.6 was that desirable in the Expy except maybe for the 2WD stripper versions. Big SUV's are a status/towing market and the 4.6 is no help there.

Explorer is at the top of the 2004 heap in the body/frame configuration and is STILL at the top of the heap in 2016 in unit body configuration despite new competition from the Japanese and Korean brands. It's not like Ford is making the wrong moves in most segments. In the mid-sized SUV segment, Ford has the Explorer, Edge, and Flex, and together these sell 400k per year...WAY more than any other mfr.

We shall see if the Ranger/new Bronco do well--small pickups and body/frame mid-sized SUV's are not a populated market right now.

It's not engine choice that is gonna make or break the Ranger, especially at intro. The Jeep Wrangler offers exactly one engine, for instance, and has done so for years, moving from the 4.0 I6 to the 3.8 V6 to the 3.6 Pentastar V6. I have not heard any complaints about that although I'm sure some people would like a V8 or I6. The 2.3 EB has more power and more torque than the Pentastar.

The 2011 Explorer was introduced with one engine, the 3.5 V6. The 3.5 EB and the 4-cyl EB's came over 2 years later. The objective is to get the Ranger to market and it can expand from there.

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with my experience with the 2.0 EB in our Escape I would have NO problems with a 2.3 EB in a Ranger.

I am just hoping for a 4 door with about the same amount of room that the Colorado has for their 4 door. Most I will ever have to worry about hauling is a small trailer for a 4 wheeler.
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with my experience with the 2.0 EB in our Escape I would have NO problems with a 2.3 EB in a Ranger.

I am just hoping for a 4 door with about the same amount of room that the Colorado has for their 4 door. Most I will ever have to worry about hauling is a small trailer for a 4 wheeler.
Agreed...I have driven the 2.0 EB in the Escape and it was startlingly fast. I also found the 2.0 EB to be plenty fine in the Edge on an extended test drive so if the Ranger/Bronco are a bit heavier than the Edge, the 2.3 EB would be just fine in them. Hell, the 2.3 EB has more power and torque than the 4.6 V8 in my old E150 van.

I did drive an Edge Sport with the 2.7 EB V6 and that was REALLY gutsy. Came close to buying but I want something a bit tougher than an Edge and with maybe less gingerbread and a smaller price tag than the Edge Sport at $45-49k. So I'm waiting for the Bronco, and figure that news about the Ranger is also going to be relevant for the Bronco.

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Old 08-15-2017, 06:17 PM
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one other thing to consider...the 2.3 EB is plenty strong to run the AWD for the Explorer...I think it would be fine.
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