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Old 07-20-2017, 12:40 PM
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I also wonder if Ram is going to re-enter the mid-sided truck segment. At this time no but who knows. I know people that owned Dodge Dakotas and loved these trucks as much as Ranger owners loved their little trucks. I see lots of the small GM trucks around and they are priced right too.

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Old 07-20-2017, 01:44 PM
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Chrysler is going to do a Wrangler pickup for 2019 from all accounts. That should be a big seller. I think the Canyon/Colorado are priced pretty high by the time you add the cool options, but still much cheaper than full sized pickups which many people simply don't need.

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Smile ranger vs ridgeline

They are different animals. ridgeline is a unibody with SUV underpinnings giving a very good car / sedan like ride. GM's new small pickups are body on frame with some off road ruggedness resulting in a rougher truck like ride and the seat lacks comparable padding for comfort. As a senior citizen I can appreciate the greater comfort of the Ridgeline. The dropped Explorer based small pickup was a more comfortable cruiser than the Ranger. From what i read, Ford is going after the Jeep rugged pickup buyer. I personally am ready to go smaller. My 2010 GMC has only 45,000 on it so I can wait to see and drive the new smaller Ford.
 
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If Honda is selling "every Ridgeline they can build" then they must not be building many because it's the worst selling small pickup truck in all of America.

The only small truck that sells worse than the Ridgeline is the Canyon, and that's only because the Colorado is the same truck and sells at a rate of 4 to 1 over the Ridgeline.

The Ford Ranger will DECIMATE the Ridgeline in every conceivable category when it arrives.
 
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Ranger vs Ridgeline should be a non issue for most informed buyers. As a pleasurable vehicle to drive, NO other small truck on the market right now compares to the Ridgeline. Now if you want a rugged work truck, or a real beast to tow and carry heavy loads, the Ridgeline should not be in the discussion. If you want the best off road vehicle you might want to include the Tacoma. If comfort is an issue, exclude the Tacoma. Canyon and Colorado are pretty good and have raised the bar. Reliability? All of them are good enough. And way better than trucks were a few years ago. The Ford explorer based, sort of a truck, was a much nicer vehicle to drive than a Ranger, more of a counterpunch to a Ridgeline, but not much of a truck. In my opinion, most of the ranger 4 cylinder trucks were pretty crappy to drive. Highly optioned V6s were OK. I have driven all and owned most of the trucks discussed. So, I think we have to wait and see which markets Ford goes after. I am older and retired, so my interest is different from what it was when I was younger. Have considered and driven the Ridgeline, but for now I will continue to drive a full size GMC Sierra ZR7.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy View Post
The first Ridgeline version (IMO: it was uglier than sin) sold OK for the first couple of years, then sales dropped like a stone, so many clogged dealers lots.

The new version looks much nicer, but despite the gap between the cab and bed, it's still a unit body: Body and frame a one piece welded assembly.

No Ford pickup is a unit body (unless you include 1960/71 Ranchero's). All have body on frame construction.

From the mid 1980's thru the mid 1990's, FoMoCo had 5 of the top 10 selling vehicles in the US (alphabetical order): Escort - F150 - Ranger - Taurus - Tempo.

The Taurus was number one until it was restyled in 1995, then it was supplanted by the Accord, then the Camry. Today, you'll be lucky to see 1 new Taurus on a dealers lot.

Ford ignored the Ranger for years, making very few changes. When the Twin Cities MN plant closed, the Ranger went bye-bye.
The term is "unibody", not "unit body." Other than that, I agree with you.

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Yeah, I don't think it's as ugly as it used to be though. The first gens were pretty awful looking.
The first generation trucks were pretty damned ugly. They followed the styling of the Chevrolet Avalanche like that was supposed to be the beginning of a new market trend. Fortunately, it wasn't. The second year of the Avalanche made it look more like the conventional Silverado, but the hideous plastic cladding was still available until the body style change that would persist until Chevrolet killed off the Avalanche in 2013. The original Avalanche, didn't age well either. I'm not talking just design, that plastic cladding looks like **** now if they weren't garage kept all their lives. The Ridgeline was ****ing ugly at the time but it's aged fairly well. They aren't as grotesque as they once were. It's not good looking by any means, but it doesn't look out of place among more modern designs.

The new one is better only in the sense that it's not so hideous to start with. However the design is too plain. It's gone back to being like every other boring Honda.

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I think the Ridgeline will flatten out in a year or two like most anything that's new or reintroduced.

I clearly see the Ranger and the GM twins dominating the midsized market though these are not actually midsized trucks.

Most times when I buy a sedan, I give the Toyota and Honda dealers an opportunity to earn my business. The sedan that I bought was a 2010 Focus. I tried to buy a Civic then the small Toyota. Each dealer basically blew me off their lots with their arrogance and refusal to negotiate any reasonable terms.

Nissan sold all the safety equipment at the time as optional equipment driving the price way too high for an average car. I wasn't prepared in my mind to buy a Korean car (though that has changed now). I refuse to own a GM and Chrysler's quality is stuck in the early 90's.

So, I bought the Focus. Loads of standard safety equipment, a very fair price and this car has been awesome through it's seven years and 80K miles.
I can no longer justify wasting time on Toyota or Honda. They enjoy a strong cult like following mush like Ford does with the F-series.
Chrysler's quality has improved by leaps and bounds. It still has a ways to go, but it gets better with every generation.

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Ford can't make money building them in the US...
You have the UAW and various US laws and regulations that make it hard to compete in today's Global economy.

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I also wonder if Ram is going to re-enter the mid-sided truck segment. At this time no but who knows. I know people that owned Dodge Dakotas and loved these trucks as much as Ranger owners loved their little trucks. I see lots of the small GM trucks around and they are priced right too.

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The Dakota didn't sell well. It was canned for a reason. Ford simply got too tight on the margins cutting deals on them. The cost of the T6 was increased over the Ranger, and again, the UAW strikes again making it hard to make a buck on them. The Ranger absolutely destroyed everyone in the segment, but still couldn't turn a profit on the redesign. Something has changed to alter Ford's opinion on that or we wouldn't see the Ranger return.

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If Honda is selling "every Ridgeline they can build" then they must not be building many because it's the worst selling small pickup truck in all of America.

The only small truck that sells worse than the Ridgeline is the Canyon, and that's only because the Colorado is the same truck and sells at a rate of 4 to 1 over the Ridgeline.

The Ford Ranger will DECIMATE the Ridgeline in every conceivable category when it arrives.
The Ridgeline may be sold in numbers that almost precisely match the demand. The Toyota Tacoma is pretty much the same way, although I think the manufacturing is kept slightly behind the demand. The Canyon sells like **** because GMC dealerships are somehow worse than Chevrolet dealerships and they won't deal on them the same way. I've been to GMC's before to look at them over the Chevrolet versions and was always treated poorly, quoted much higher prices, etc.

I agree with you though, the Ranger will crush the Ridgeline in every category.
 
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Chrysler's quality has improved by leaps and bounds. It still has a ways to go, but it gets better with every generation.
LOTS of ways to go, more like it. Our work just got a 2017 Jeep Wrangler. The glove box doesn't even fit the manual. What an oversight.
 
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LOTS of ways to go, more like it. Our work just got a 2017 Jeep Wrangler. The glove box doesn't even fit the manual. What an oversight.
Not sure what this glovebox design compromise issue has to do with QUALITY. Download the manual in pdf form and put it on your smartphone, and use the glovebox for *gloves* and your insurance/registration papers. Nobody refers to 500-page user's manuals any more. Mine live in cargo cubbies in the trunk.

People want the Jeep to look retro. The dashboard is about 6" deep because of the vertical windshield and has to contain airbags, gauges, and electronics.
 
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Yeah I've owned lots of vehicles with glove boxes too small for the manual. Such as my current Ford Mustang.

However, your Wrangler not only has room for the manual, it's actually got a specific slot to slide the manual into once you open the glove box. See...Jeep thinks of everything. And that Wrangler will have the best resale value in America.
 
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If you go to pickuptrucks.com you'll all notice the November and December sales figures. They also add into the mix and overall trucks sold category just to make the GM fanboys happy.

With the midsize twins, GM is outselling Ford by a decent margin. I'm not certain if the twins are stealing sales from Ford or from their larger siblings or both, but Ford wants in.

I'm sure that some F-150 sales will be sacrificed by the return of the Ranger but I'll wager that Ford is counting in getting some sales from the other builders as well.
 
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The 2006 Ranger looks like a whole lot of fun to not drive.
 
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Ranger ... Ridgeline.... different animals.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_Ridgeline
 
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Honda has superior overall reliability/dependability compared to Ford, but needs to works on the product's looks.

BTW - I would not underestimate Honda's next moves on pickup trucks --- they already have (5) FIVE models that are in the TOP 20 Vehicles Sold in the US (Ford only has two). They basically build a better overall product than Ford.

We fix / repair Fords (breakdown champs) constantly --- see very few Hondas.
 
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There's a few Ridgelines on my route and they are owned by older people. I see them as a great vehicle for low entry, reliability, some basic utility and perhaps MPG's.

Not my cup of tea,,,,,,,,yet.
 
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They basically build a better overall product than Ford.
...in their market segments. When Honda rolls out a 10,000#+ GVWR truck I'll pay attention.

Toyota putting a Hino diesel in a "3/4 ton" Tundra is a more realistic concern though. But after their Hino branded Class 4-5 trucks got panned and they killed assembly in the US back in 2010, even that's not a realistic competitor.

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Not my cup of tea,,,,,,,,yet.
Drive the Ranger. Be the Ranger.
 
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