Carli Suspension
#151
10-19-2017, 09:53 AM
I'm guessing the extra couple inches of lift in the front changed the perceived feel and the way the truck handled or its just psychosomatic.
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#152
10-19-2017, 11:24 AM
Gallagher knows his $h1t, I wouldn't discredit what he is telling you.
I'm guessing the extra couple inches of lift in the front changed the perceived feel and the way the truck handled or its just psychosomatic.
One time my wife called me at work to inform me that my youngest daughter caught lice from a neighbor's kid. My head immediately starting itching for the next 2 days. I was convinced I had lice too but I didn't, once I was cleared the itching stopped.
I'm guessing the extra couple inches of lift in the front changed the perceived feel and the way the truck handled or its just psychosomatic.
One time my wife called me at work to inform me that my youngest daughter caught lice from a neighbor's kid. My head immediately starting itching for the next 2 days. I was convinced I had lice too but I didn't, once I was cleared the itching stopped.
There is no way the Carli coils are stiffer then the factory ones. Even visually you can tell, more windings and smaller wire.
Plus carli says so.
The carli coil is a progressive rate coil, uses a smaller dia. wire and nearing the top of the coil they add more windings making the coil spring a softer initial rate in that area by creating more leverage.
The difference you feel with stock shocks and lift coils are more likely due to the position of the stock shock in its travel for normal ride height driving. and a shock less capable of controlling the different rebound energy from the longer coil spring.
#153
10-19-2017, 04:08 PM
I felt the exact same changes as you. Very planted, much more connected feeling with the road. It was firm, but in a really good way. I know the Carli coils have like twice as many winds in them, so I dont doubt what you're saying. I think both things are improvements to the ride, so you are both right imo.
#154
10-19-2017, 04:10 PM
haha, and +1
There is no way the Carli coils are stiffer then the factory ones. Even visually you can tell, more windings and smaller wire.
Plus carli says so.
The carli coil is a progressive rate coil, uses a smaller dia. wire and nearing the top of the coil they add more windings making the coil spring a softer initial rate in that area by creating more leverage.
The difference you feel with stock shocks and lift coils are more likely due to the position of the stock shock in its travel for normal ride height driving. and a shock less capable of controlling the different rebound energy from the longer coil spring.
There is no way the Carli coils are stiffer then the factory ones. Even visually you can tell, more windings and smaller wire.
Plus carli says so.
The carli coil is a progressive rate coil, uses a smaller dia. wire and nearing the top of the coil they add more windings making the coil spring a softer initial rate in that area by creating more leverage.
The difference you feel with stock shocks and lift coils are more likely due to the position of the stock shock in its travel for normal ride height driving. and a shock less capable of controlling the different rebound energy from the longer coil spring.
#155
10-19-2017, 05:17 PM
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The 2.5” springs are linear and are not progressive/variable rate. Thank anyways
And I did have 2.5” shock extensions to make up the difference in the springs height.
And I did have 2.5” shock extensions to make up the difference in the springs height.
haha, and +1
There is no way the Carli coils are stiffer then the factory ones. Even visually you can tell, more windings and smaller wire.
Plus carli says so.
The carli coil is a progressive rate coil, uses a smaller dia. wire and nearing the top of the coil they add more windings making the coil spring a softer initial rate in that area by creating more leverage.
The difference you feel with stock shocks and lift coils are more likely due to the position of the stock shock in its travel for normal ride height driving. and a shock less capable of controlling the different rebound energy from the longer coil spring.
There is no way the Carli coils are stiffer then the factory ones. Even visually you can tell, more windings and smaller wire.
Plus carli says so.
The carli coil is a progressive rate coil, uses a smaller dia. wire and nearing the top of the coil they add more windings making the coil spring a softer initial rate in that area by creating more leverage.
The difference you feel with stock shocks and lift coils are more likely due to the position of the stock shock in its travel for normal ride height driving. and a shock less capable of controlling the different rebound energy from the longer coil spring.
#156
10-19-2017, 06:06 PM
I did the exact opposite. I put a spacer in and bought my Fox 2.5's while I waited for springs and coils.
I felt the exact same changes as you. Very planted, much more connected feeling with the road. It was firm, but in a really good way. I know the Carli coils have like twice as many winds in them, so I dont doubt what you're saying. I think both things are improvements to the ride, so you are both right imo.
I felt the exact same changes as you. Very planted, much more connected feeling with the road. It was firm, but in a really good way. I know the Carli coils have like twice as many winds in them, so I dont doubt what you're saying. I think both things are improvements to the ride, so you are both right imo.
What you felt was from the shocks, the Carli coils will likely soften it up a bit and may add travel. I don't know the solid height of the factory spring but I wonder if, with a 2.5" leveling kit installed, a factory coil will bind before hitting the bump stops.
#157
10-19-2017, 06:25 PM
The additional "winds" mean less pitch and lower spring rate. This also means there's a taller free height to allow for the additional travel.
What you felt was from the shocks, the Carli coils will likely soften it up a bit and may add travel. I don't know the solid height of the factory spring but I wonder if, with a 2.5" leveling kit installed, a factory coil will bind before hitting the bump stops.
What you felt was from the shocks, the Carli coils will likely soften it up a bit and may add travel. I don't know the solid height of the factory spring but I wonder if, with a 2.5" leveling kit installed, a factory coil will bind before hitting the bump stops.
#159
10-19-2017, 07:25 PM
I have a bunch of friends in the Baja scene. They get me stuff super cheap direct from manufacturers and I wanted a different height than what Carli offered.
#160
10-20-2017, 10:26 PM
I'm currently looking at getting the 2.5 system since the truck already sits tall, but haven't quite decided on the backcountry or commuter system. Are the radius arms really needed for this kind of lift. $1300 is lot since i don't know what they'll do to improve the suspension. Any insight is appreciated
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10-20-2017, 10:55 PM
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#162
10-20-2017, 11:14 PM
I'm currently looking at getting the 2.5 system since the truck already sits tall, but haven't quite decided on the backcountry or commuter system. Are the radius arms really needed for this kind of lift. $1300 is lot since i don't know what they'll do to improve the suspension. Any insight is appreciated
Also, they correct 1.2° of cater at the arm mount rather than relying on a caster shim.
#163
10-20-2017, 11:16 PM
Lower spring rate, more travel, both good things. The Carli kit has custom tuned shocks (tuned by seat of the pants feel, not guesses on weight, shock dyno, etc.), that's a huge difference. Try the coils first as you already have the shocks. If you're not happy, swap the shocks.
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10-20-2017, 11:21 PM
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Lower spring rate, more travel, both good things. The Carli kit has custom tuned shocks (tuned by seat of the pants feel, not guesses on weight, shock dyno, etc.), that's a huge difference. Try the coils first as you already have the shocks. If you're not happy, swap the shocks.
#165
10-20-2017, 11:56 PM
2.5" Leveling Kit - Dealer Installed
3" KORE Kit with Pure Performance Track bar and control Arms.
6" Superlift
6" Superlift upgraded to Thuren's King shocks
Death-wobbled
Scrap it all and spent over $10K on a 6" Carli with Ball Joints, 08.5+ steering upgrade and new Toyo's. Never had another issue and was comfortable putting my wife behind the wheel again.
TL;DR: I like to waste money, learn from my mistakes.