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Old 06-02-2017, 02:39 PM
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63 F100 223 carb Frustration

I have a carb issue that I must just be not very smart about. It won't run without the choke on after the long winter. I knew we were getting crud in the needle and seat. So I stripped out the old rubber fuel line and put new in, as it was really brittle, and I figured that's where it was coming from. There's a lot more rubber line than I care for, but I will have to correct that later.

So I spray everywhere looking for vacuum leaks. Nothing. I plugged the distributer vac line and that didn't help. I plugged the big vacuum line to the, well the thingy. I don't know what this canister is at the rear of the engine with a vacuum line going to it. But it didn't help.

I ordered a rebuild kit, and stripped the carb off. Gaskets LOOK good for what that is worth. Well the rebuild kit is wrong so I can't work on that carb. But what in the world can be causing this. The carb doesn't appear to be all that old.


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I seem to be getting fuel from the pump in plenty of supply. The mixture screw seemed to have no affect on how it would run.
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Old 06-02-2017, 03:57 PM
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Tough to say from here, but the fact that it won't idle or run without the choke in definitely points to a vacuum leak somewhere.
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I have a carb issue that I must just be not very smart about. It won't run without the choke on after the long winter. I knew we were getting crud in the needle and seat. So I stripped out the old rubber fuel line and put new in, as it was really brittle, and I figured that's where it was coming from. There's a lot more rubber line than I care for, but I will have to correct that later.

So I spray everywhere looking for vacuum leaks. Nothing. I plugged the distributer vac line and that didn't help. I plugged the big vacuum line to the, well the thingy.

I don't know what this canister is at the rear of the engine with a vacuum line going to it. But it didn't help.

I ordered a rebuild kit, and stripped the carb off. Gaskets LOOK good for what that is worth.

Well the rebuild kit is wrong so I can't work on that carb. But what in the world can be causing this. The carb doesn't appear to be all that old.

1963/64 F100 223 I-6 originally came with the Auto-Lite 1100 series 1V carb.

There were two versions, one for A/T .. t'other for M/T .. but the carb kit (C3AZ-9A586-F / Motorcraft CT-188) is the same for both.

This carb kit is also the same for 1963/64 Galaxie 223 I-6.

btw: I have no idea what the canister with the vacuum line leading from it at the rear of the engine is for, but it wasn't there originally.

It might be a vacuum reservoir, especially if it's shaped like a coffee can, but no F100/350 has one of these until the 1973 and then only with factory A/C
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Old 06-02-2017, 09:11 PM
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The line that goes to the canister goes from the intake under the carb to a line that is attached to a bracket that looks factory and shares the mount for the throttle linkage. The canister is maybe 4" in diameter and at least twice that tall.

Are the intake gaskets known for leaking on these?
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It does look like the autolite with a manual choke to me.
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The line that goes to the canister goes from the intake under the carb to a line that is attached to a bracket that looks factory and shares the mount for the throttle linkage. The canister is maybe 4" in diameter and at least twice that tall.

Are the intake gaskets known for leaking on these?
Truck is 54 years old, how long has the gasket been in place? Nothing lasts forever.
I don't care what it's for or where the line goes, the canister was not there originally.

No I-6 or V8 truck of this vintage came with a canister, vacuum reservoir or otherwise.

1960's and later Passenger Cars with A/C and/or Speed Control have vacuum reservoirs, some are shaped like a coffee can.

If yours resembles a coffee can and has 1 or 2 nipples used for vacuum hoses on the top dead center, this may be what it's from.

Otherwise I haven't a clue...until you post a pic of it.
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I don't think it has anything to do with my troubles. But it certainly is a curiosity to me. I probably didn't describe it well.
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Ok if this happened "after a long winters sit" it is an issue with the idle circuit.
With todays gas if the motor sits for any length of time the fuel evaporates and can plug passage ways. This is why the idle mix screw does nothing.

Using carb cleaner spray out every passage and make sure it comes out the other side.
Lightly screw in the mix screw counting the turns and write it down for later. Now remove it and spray cleaner in the hole again making sure it comes out some place else. After you spray it use compressed air to blow all the passages clear.

Now you can use the kit to rebuild the carb. Remember the screw turns you marked down? Use this to set a starting point on the mix screw.

In the future treat the fuel before you lay the truck up for the winter or run the carb out of fuel. Some use MMO in the fuel, tank should be full for the winter rest.
To run the carb out of fuel pinch off a rubber line feeding the fuel pump, or disconnect it from the pump and plugged is better, and run the motor till out of fuel.

Could also start and run the motor for 30 mins once a week to keep the carb full with fuel.


That line from intake to rear of motor looks to be maybe a PCV system as a guess?
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Where is this 'so-called' canister? I don't see anything in this pic that resembles a canister.
Cobbled together (but what the parts are from, I don't know, because I've never seen anything like it!) "Mickey Mouse" PCV system. FoMoCo had nothing to do with it!

1961/64 cars/trucks with 144/170/223 I-6's with PCV: At the rear of the valve cover is a hole that a rubber grommet fits into, PC valve fits into grommet.

PCV neoprene smog hose routes from smog valve to a nipple that threaded into the intake manifold just below the front of the carb.

If your IL truck had ever been registered in CA .. then I would say that this might be an auto parts store PCV kit.

PCV introduced in 1961, was mandatory in sold new in CA vehicles. Other states may have also mandated PCV

If vehicles came into CA from out of state that didn't have a PCV system, the owners had to install PCV kits purchased from auto parts stores.

Vehicles could not be registered/titled in CA without PCV .. I live in CA .. spent 35 years (1962/97) working as a Ford parts guy at various Ford & L/M dealers in Los Angeles County.
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Why is it that so many locations are convinced that I have a Holley carb on this? Carquest was helpful except for getting the wrong kit. Rock Auto shows a Holley as well. Their carb kit doesn't look correct either. I would love to get from a local parts store or chain. But that isn't looking promising. Just venting LOL.
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1963/64 F100 223 I-6 originally came with the Auto-Lite 1100 series 1V carb.

There were two versions, one for A/T .. t'other for M/T .. but the carb kit (C3AZ-9A586-F / Motorcraft CT-188) is the same for both.

This carb kit is also the same for 1963/64 Galaxie 223 I-6.
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Thank you. I see Summit seems to have the correct kit as well. Shopping local is not always practical with this older stuff it seems.
I'm not exactly sure how this ever ran at all. Of the three check ***** that should be in this carb, there are none.
I took another pict of this canister. It is bolted through to a raised area on the block.
Now I can't confirm that this is the correct engine in this truck by any means. But that canister appears to be made to fit on that area on this block. And that bracket holding the tube appears to be made not by an individual, but purposely and for that throttle bracket. The attachment to the intake is completely cobbled, and obviously not any factory.
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Do you have an exploded view of this carb? I saw in a youtube video that there should be a ball weight on top of one of the *****. If so, I am missing that too, and they don't seem to be included in the kits.
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