To replace injectors or to not?
#16
How many places in the country exist that keep AC code injectors stocked behind the counter? You're usually able to get one in a day or two but you can get an aftermarket injector shipped in the same amount of time. I don't really see this as a significant advantage over aftermarket injectors.
At one time that was an important factor in my future injector upgrade plans; when on the road pulling the 5er I could get the part pretty much anywhere. But then I realized that I can wait for a part since I have my rolling home. Down time is ok in that situation; it's a pleasure trip, not production or manufacturing where down time is anathema. Best to stick with a common setup tho, like 160/80 or whatever, so if your builder has gone the way of the dodo you can get a similar flow rate from another builder.
To OP: single shots are better than splits in every way except sound. And that's debatable. Yes you'll need tunes to run them, but you'll be getting tunes anyway.
#17
{cracking knuckles}
160/100 Injectors link in my signature is worth a click and a read - as is the custom tunes link.
I chose to upgrade the air and fuel system and add gauges before I added bigger sticks. There is nothing wrong with doing cups alone and replacing the O-rings on the injectors until you can approach the injectors without the hurry. Once you've got all the seals "unstuck" to lift the valve covers, it's not a big deal to go back in a second time.
Consider the first round a lesson in what techniques to use and what tools to buy to make the second round much easier/faster. I've popped the VCs dozens of times, and I have it down to 5 minutes per side... it takes longer to prep the tools and clean up than it does to deal with the VCs.
This might be a good time to invest in a proper compression tester to determine if the engine is even worth adding power to. If you opt for the big sticks, then I strongly suggest using a stock-power tune until you get your gauges, fuel mods, and air mods in place.
160/100 Injectors link in my signature is worth a click and a read - as is the custom tunes link.
I chose to upgrade the air and fuel system and add gauges before I added bigger sticks. There is nothing wrong with doing cups alone and replacing the O-rings on the injectors until you can approach the injectors without the hurry. Once you've got all the seals "unstuck" to lift the valve covers, it's not a big deal to go back in a second time.
Consider the first round a lesson in what techniques to use and what tools to buy to make the second round much easier/faster. I've popped the VCs dozens of times, and I have it down to 5 minutes per side... it takes longer to prep the tools and clean up than it does to deal with the VCs.
This might be a good time to invest in a proper compression tester to determine if the engine is even worth adding power to. If you opt for the big sticks, then I strongly suggest using a stock-power tune until you get your gauges, fuel mods, and air mods in place.
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Just got off the phone with Jim from rosewood injectors. Was highly advised to not use single shot injectors due to the extreme tuning difficulties. Even when using a reputable tuner like dp or power hungry I can expect to send my chip back and forth multiple times. He advised I go with stage 2 ad split shot with 80% nozzles.
#20
Just got off the phone with Jim from rosewood injectors. Was highly advised to not use single shot injectors due to the extreme tuning difficulties. Even when using a reputable tuner like dp or power hungry I can expect to send my chip back and forth multiple times. He advised I go with stage 2 ad split shot with 80% nozzles.
#21
Just got off the phone with Jim from rosewood injectors. Was highly advised to not use single shot injectors due to the extreme tuning difficulties. Even when using a reputable tuner like dp or power hungry I can expect to send my chip back and forth multiple times. He advised I go with stage 2 ad split shot with 80% nozzles.
My truck runs great with single shots and I only got one set of tunes from gearhead.
It does idle a little rougher though. It shakes the cab at red lights a little more than stock injectors but that's why split shots were developed (as I understand it) - to smooth out the idle.
#22
Finally got in touch with P.I.S. ordered a set of 160/80 single shot injectors.
Talked to Jody at dp tuner and ordered a F6 tuner with gauge and custom tunes. Jody was very helpful. I like that I don't have to get new tunes after I put the upgraded hpop or 38r turbo 6-8 months from now.
Talked to Jody at dp tuner and ordered a F6 tuner with gauge and custom tunes. Jody was very helpful. I like that I don't have to get new tunes after I put the upgraded hpop or 38r turbo 6-8 months from now.
Last edited by Stewart_H; 06-06-2017 at 02:59 PM.
#24
So here's the list of goodies I've gotten so far. Man this stuff is expensive.
160/80 injectors
DP F6 tuner custom tunes
5" exhaust straight piped
Donaldson AIS severe duty intake
John woods valve body
+8 deep trans pan
31 row cooler(already installed)
Injector cups
Valve cover gaskets
Valve cover harness
8 new glow plugs
Glow shift LCD gauges(pyro, trans, boost)
Aerotech obd2 scanner gauge
Is there anything else I should do while I'm working on it?
160/80 injectors
DP F6 tuner custom tunes
5" exhaust straight piped
Donaldson AIS severe duty intake
John woods valve body
+8 deep trans pan
31 row cooler(already installed)
Injector cups
Valve cover gaskets
Valve cover harness
8 new glow plugs
Glow shift LCD gauges(pyro, trans, boost)
Aerotech obd2 scanner gauge
Is there anything else I should do while I'm working on it?
#28
#29
It might be true depending on whose tunes/what tuner is being used.
Gearhead/PHP is the way to go IME.
I didn't catch that at first... you're right, that doesn't make much sense.
Gearhead/PHP is the way to go IME.
I didn't catch that at first... you're right, that doesn't make much sense.
#30
Are you sure he meant the AC's we're talking about, and not a more difficult stick to tune for, like a big hybrid single?
Stewart