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Don't Ford's technical specifications show a different deflection rate on the rear springs between the 250 and 350?
For 2017, yes. For 11-16, no.
 
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So, I'm wondering what makes the 350 worth $1,500 more than a 250 because it seems that, if you order the camper package on a 250, it is virtually identical to a 350. And the package is only $160 or so . . . uprated front springs, overloads on the rear, anti-roll bar . . .

I can't help but wonder if there is something different that we are missing . . can't think of what it might be though . . . that's a lot of money for an emblem . . . and I guess you can pick the 11,500 GVWR on a 350 . . . if that licensing requirement is important for some reason.
 
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For the 11-16's the difference in price was about $800 MSRP and less when you add the camper package to the 250. The difference in price has never been justified physically. It's just a different market segment being filled...
 
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Smile What can an F-250 really tow

I am ready to buy a new 5th wheel. I have never owned a trailer of any kind before. I need help from the experienced people on this site - Please !. I am confused about towing specs, but slowly learning. The 5th wheel I would like to buy is 37', UVW of 12,600 Lbs., GVWR of 16,000 Lbs, Hitch weight of 2,500 pounds. I really don't want to buy a dually, but I want to be safe. I would like to get a single wheel F-250 or F-350. Specifically, the F-250 Crew Cab, 6.7L V8 diesel, 4x4, 160" wheel base, 6-3/4 box, with the 3.55 axle ratio. When I look at the Ford towing specs, it indicates that the vehicle can only tow up to 14,700 pounds. Everywhere, people tell me it can pull more. I read magazine articles about how it can tow 18,00 pounds of 5th wheel, if you get the "Trailer Tow Package". Of course, you do not see that particular wording on any new truck sticker. You see options for "Trailer Sway Control", Trailer Brake Control, "10,000 # GVWR Package", "Tow Technology Bundle (incl. Adaptive Steering and Lane Keeping Alert)" Can someone please help me with what I need to buy to tow the trailer I would like to purchase ? Thank you very much in advance.


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I am ready to buy a new 5th wheel. I have never owned a trailer of any kind before. I need help from the experienced people on this site - Please !. I am confused about towing specs, but slowly learning. The 5th wheel I would like to buy is 37', UVW of 12,600 Lbs., GVWR of 16,000 Lbs, Hitch weight of 2,500 pounds. I really don't want to buy a dually, but I want to be safe. I would like to get a single wheel F-250 or F-350. Specifically, the F-250 Crew Cab, 6.7L V8 diesel, 4x4, 160" wheel base, 6-3/4 box, with the 3.55 axle ratio. When I look at the Ford towing specs, it indicates that the vehicle can only tow up to 14,700 pounds. Everywhere, people tell me it can pull more. I read magazine articles about how it can tow 18,00 pounds of 5th wheel, if you get the "Trailer Tow Package". Of course, you do not see that particular wording on any new truck sticker. You see options for "Trailer Sway Control", Trailer Brake Control, "10,000 # GVWR Package", "Tow Technology Bundle (incl. Adaptive Steering and Lane Keeping Alert)" Can someone please help me with what I need to buy to tow the trailer I would like to purchase ? Thank you very much in advance.




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Throw some airbags on the f250 then you get a little better ride and same towing capacity as the 350. The only difference is a few more leafsprimgs in the 350 but the airbags make up the difference.
 
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Originally Posted by KSWilson
I am ready to buy a new 5th wheel. I have never owned a trailer of any kind before. I need help from the experienced people on this site - Please !. I am confused about towing specs, but slowly learning. The 5th wheel I would like to buy is 37', UVW of 12,600 Lbs., GVWR of 16,000 Lbs, Hitch weight of 2,500 pounds. I really don't want to buy a dually, but I want to be safe. I would like to get a single wheel F-250 or F-350. Specifically, the F-250 Crew Cab, 6.7L V8 diesel, 4x4, 160" wheel base, 6-3/4 box, with the 3.55 axle ratio. When I look at the Ford towing specs, it indicates that the vehicle can only tow up to 14,700 pounds. Everywhere, people tell me it can pull more. I read magazine articles about how it can tow 18,00 pounds of 5th wheel, if you get the "Trailer Tow Package". Of course, you do not see that particular wording on any new truck sticker. You see options for "Trailer Sway Control", Trailer Brake Control, "10,000 # GVWR Package", "Tow Technology Bundle (incl. Adaptive Steering and Lane Keeping Alert)" Can someone please help me with what I need to buy to tow the trailer I would like to purchase ? Thank you very much in advance.


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Don’t make the mistake and buy a F250. For about $900 more buy the F350. It will give you 1000 lbs more payload than a F250. Payload will be your limiting factor. Air bags will not increase your legal payload.

if you buy a F350 Lariat 6.7L Diesel crew cab your payload sticker will be in the 3400-3500 lb range. A similar F250 will have a payload of only. 2200 lbs.

Your actual oin weight will probobly be 3200--3400 lbs when loaded to travel.

If you buy a F250 you will be in excess of 1000 lbs over weight in payload.
 
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I own a ton of these truck as we use them throughout our company. The reason the cost difference is 900$ is because there is just a leaf spring difference. The lighter springs on the 250 are a little more forgiving around town. When you carry a load the air bags actually will allow more of a payload then the 350 leaf springs. The limiting factor at that point would be rear axle or tires depending on which tires are on the truck. People get so hung up on this 250/350 thing. My golfing buddy is a California Highway Patrol sergeant and he gets a kick out of these discussions.
 
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I own a ton of these truck as we use them throughout our company. The reason the cost difference is 900$ is because there is just a leaf spring difference. The lighter springs on the 250 are a little more forgiving around town. When you carry a load the air bags actually will allow more of a payload then the 350 leaf springs. The limiting factor at that point would be rear axle or tires depending on which tires are on the truck. People get so hung up on this 250/350 thing. My golfing buddy is a California Highway Patrol sergeant and he gets a kick out of these discussions.
In addition to the extra leaf in the 350 rear springs the F350 comes with a Dana Rear axle rated at 7280 lbs. I believe the F250 comes with the Sterling rear axle rated at 6200 lbs unless you order the camper package.

the 350 axle is a 4” tube diameter and the 250 is a 3.5” tube diameter.

So

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F350 Dana M275 rear w/10.8” ring gears
F250 Sterling w/10.5” ring gear.


 
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Throw some airbags on the f250 then you get a little better ride and same towing capacity as the 350. The only difference is a few more leafsprimgs in the 350 but the airbags make up the difference.
No you dont.
 
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Originally Posted by Flyct


In addition to the extra leaf in the 350 rear springs the F350 comes with a Dana Rear axle rated at 7280 lbs. I believe the F250 comes with the Sterling rear axle rated at 6200 lbs unless you order the camper package.

the 350 axle is a 4” tube diameter and the 250 is a 3.5” tube diameter.

So

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F350 Dana M275 rear w/10.8” ring gears
F250 Sterling w/10.5” ring gear.


It's the High Capacity Towing Package that gives the 250 the Dana axle. The Sterling 10.5 is actually rated to 9750# and is the same axle used in the previous generation SRW 350 where it carried a 7k rating. It's just de-rated on paper like the rest of the F250 to keep it a class 2 truck. Adding the high capacity pkg to the 250 brings the price even closer. It also makes the physical difference even smaller. Just a single leaf spring in the rear is the only difference at that point. However, when you consider the price being almost identical and the physical capacity being almost identical, why not just buy the truck with the ratings to match? The only time I would suggest running a 250 is if I lived in a state that penalized the 350 in registration costs. That, or if you already had a 250 and decided to get into RVing after the purchase.
 
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A 37 foot 5'er isn't for beginners. Where are you even going with that? If you never leave the great plains and desert, ok. East coast anywhere, forget about it. A 30 foot 5'er, would be like a 25 foot TT? Right? That's about the max I recommend for new RV'ers. But even a 25' TT can be a major PITA getting into town.
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Everyone's laughing at the weight police. But I just left a campground in GA where two 5'ers we're extending for another night, despite being all packed up and ready to leave. The GA HWY patrol was right down the road pulling over every SRW truck pulling a 5'er.

So it's coming. DOT in Cali is no joke either. An F150 or F250 pulling a big 5'er is easy pickings. Couldn't be any easier to spot either.
 
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A 37 foot 5'er isn't for beginners. Where are you even going with that? If you never leave the great plains and desert, ok. East coast anywhere, forget about it.

I'm at 44.5' and camp 90% of the time on the east coast. Been all over from Nova Scotia to FL putting on over 20,000 miles in the last three seasons. Never had an issue finding a campsite... or any issue at all with length. So, I wouldn't exactly say "forget about it..."
 
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As discussed in another thread, the current gen 250's sag as much as the previous gen. I had a 2014 SRW 250 and towed a 5th wheel that was shorter and lighter than the one you have. I installed airbags because even with a pin weight of 1800#s it was just too much sag and felt unstable. I've since upgraded to a '17 DRW and have zero concerns.
May I ask if your 2014 F250 pulled it without any issues? I have a 2014 F250 4x4 6.7 with the camper package and airbags, I am buying a Keystone Cougar with a dry weight of 8600 lbs.. Just not sure what I will be looking at in regards to pulling the 5th wheel.. I am new to this journey..

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May I ask if your 2014 F250 pulled it without any issues? I have a 2014 F250 4x4 6.7 with the camper package and airbags, I am buying a Keystone Cougar with a dry weight of 8600 lbs.. Just not sure what I will be looking at in regards to pulling the 5th wheel.. I am new to this journey..

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Whit, your 2014 F250 with the camper package is 99% identical to a SRW 350 of the same year. The only differences between the 2014 SRW350 and 250 are the rear upper overload springs (standard on the SRW350) and a 4" (on the 350) vs. 2" (on the 250) block under the rear springs. Since you have the camper package you have the overload springs. So, you're down to the 2" block on your truck vs. the 4" on the 350. That is the only difference between your truck and a SRW 350. There are no other physical differences between the two vehicles. Many in your situation have changed out the 2" for a 4" block to compensate for the rear end sag while loaded. The trailer you are looking at is so light that you likely won't need to worry about that though. So, what you should do is hook up and see how you sit. If you do find have too much undesirable sag, you can either swap blocks or add a suspension enhancement like TorkLift Stable Loads or airbags. Bottom line is you have a VERY capable truck which will handle your proposed RV with ease...
 


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