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Old 05-19-2017, 06:17 PM
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Oh, and I see your looking up the braking differences. Yes the 2011 SRW 350 had hydroboost but it was dropped in 2012. All SRW trucks from 12 forward had vacuum boost.
So what you are saying is that the 11-16s were not identical??
 
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As to speeding, going slower than traffic is more dangerous than speeding. I run 75-80 with the tractors with my 28k GCW.
Not when the tires are rated for a maximum of 65mph (my rig).

And I'll gladly go 62mph in a 65mph zone on a 3 lane higher when I'm traveling in the far right lane. Thanks for letting me know going 15mph over the speed limit is safer.
 
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Originally Posted by Blwnsmoke
F250 didn't have the helper spring that the F350 had. The F350 had the 4" blocks where the F250 had 2". Ford towards the 2015 model year decided to put the 4" blocks on some of the F250s and nobody could figure out what was causing SOME of them to have the blocks and others not to. I remember members walking the lots and seeing both size blocks on F250s on the same lot.

Yes same axles, same diff, same brakes etc. But not the overload spring or the blocks on the 11-14.. I don't remember when in the 15s that they started putting the same blocks on.

You're not reading. I already stated all that. The blocks came later in the generation but certainly don't effect towing. The overload comes on the 250 if you get the camper pkg.

As to the brakes, yes, they are identical. A 2012 SRW 350 with vacuum boost brakes is identical to a 2011 F250 but rated to 1.5k more. Keep trying but you won't find a difference in physical ability.

As to tires, you need better tires. Running ST tires will get your family killed a lot quicker than my ratings.
 
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You're not reading. I already stated all that. The blocks came later in the generation but certainly don't effect towing. The overload comes on the 250 if you get the camper pkg.

As to the brakes, yes, they are identical. A 2012 SRW 350 with vacuum boost brakes is identical to a 2011 F250 but rated to 1.5k more. Keep trying but you won't find a difference in physical ability.
As to tires, you need better tires. Running ST tires will get your family killed a lot quicker than my ratings.
Your post with this quote in it...

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Well, how about this. How about the 2011 to 2016 F250 that was physically 100% identical to the SRW 350.
Is what I responded to and I've already proven that the 11-16 is not physically identical. You can try to twist it around any way you like. That reply you wrote was what I replied to and quoted. And no where in there did you discuss blocks, helper springs, adding "options" to the trucks OR brakes.

I'm done going back and forth and crapping on someone else's thread. You stated a reply.. I proved that reply incorrect. Have a fantastic night..
 
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Blwnsmoke
Your post with this quote in it...



Is what I responded to and I've already proven that the 11-16 is not physically identical. You can try to twist it around any way you like. That reply you wrote was what I replied to and quoted. And no where in there did you discuss blocks, helper springs, adding "options" to the trucks OR brakes.

I'm done going back and forth and crapping on someone else's thread. You stated a reply.. I proved that reply incorrect. Have a fantastic night..
Yo really need to go back and reread my posts and not just cut out the part that you think will help you make a point. You proved absolutely nothing other than attempting to split hairs does not win a friendly debate. The trucks could be ordered identically. Period. Early block height was the only difference which I pointed out before you did, but it has no effect on the truck's ability. Let's get specific since you want to play the semantic game though. A 2011-2015 F250 is rated to the same as a 2016 F250 but has different height blocks. A 2016 F250 with the camper package is physically identical to a SRW 350 blocks and all but rated 1.5k less on the sticker... go... nothing? I thought not. If you think a 2" taller block in earlier years of the gen adds 1.5k in GVWR, I can't help you... LOL I did get a kick out of how you ignored all the points you were wrong about and plowed forward anyways. The bottom line is the trucks are equal and ratings are not based solely in engineering. No, they aren't all identical but they CAN be identical with different ratings which completely proves my point..

I am having a fantastic night. I sincerely hope you do the same. Bye Felicia...
 
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Oh wait... PS... here's the kicker. I'm under on all my ratings....

I wasn't with my 2012 which I somehow survived 25k overloaded towing miles with... but am now... LOL
 
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Well hopefully a storm isn't brewing? But you know the tiny Toyo Tundra Towed the Space Shuttle, right!

But my two cents says you want a larger more capable dually truck to comfortably pull, tow and control your load, especially if a mishap should occur. But then again some prefer the Tail wagging the Dog.

But this much I guarantee, if you ever get into ****storm so to speak accident pulling a large trailer, the next time around you will have the most capable tow vehicle around!
 
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Well hopefully a storm isn't brewing? But you know the tiny Toyo Tundra Towed the Space Shuttle, right!
Notice that they never showed the Toyota trying to STOP the Space Shuttle.
 
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Originally Posted by Karl4Cat
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As to tires, you need better tires. Running ST tires will get your family killed a lot quicker than my ratings.
I know that you know this, but for others reading this thread, some ST tires are excellent. The Sailun S637 tires I have are either the #1 or #2 tire in the 235/8/r16 LR-G class.
 
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Old 05-22-2017, 02:36 PM
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Actually, up until about 1.5 years ago, they were LT tires. They only changed their position recommendation to beat the import tax on LT tires. Before that the Sailun S637 was an LT just like the GY G614.
 
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Old 05-22-2017, 03:22 PM
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Factory tow ratings are a good guideline but they're hardly a towing 'bible'

I remember one year when Ford upped their towing ability on the F150 by nearly a 1,000 lbs, so Dodge, without changing a blessed thing, upped theirs 1,000 lbs.

Chevrolet pulls stuff like that all the time. And Ford is no innocent bystander.

My 2013 F-150 with the 5.0L V8 has the same, exact towing limits imposed on it as (get this) the 4.6L it replaced. A bunch more HP and Torque, but the same towing numbers. gotcha. And, in my year, going from a 3:31 to a 3:55 gives you 2,000lbs more towing capacity. Yeah, right. What did Santa bring you for Christmas......

Then, when Ford came out with the two new motors at the same time (the EcoBeast and the Coyote V8) they sandbagged the V8. It was making more HP than the EB. Not nearly as much torque, but more HP. Now, all of the sudden, it jumps 25 HP because they 'tuned' it more gooder and put different cams in it. sure

Coincidence? Right. And I promise I'll respect you in the morning.....

The factory guidelines are a good starting point but -- That's about it.

I'll take the word of real world, real people every time over what the factory says.

It's why I'm here. Anybody can read the factory spec sheet
 
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Look at the tow vehicle for the 5th Wheel.

That's my Truck and Trailer on the right.

 
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Originally Posted by Karl4Cat
As to speeding, going slower than traffic is more dangerous than speeding. I run 75-80 with the tractors with my 28k GCW.
According to this list the speed limit for trailers in your state is 55 mph.
http://onlinetowingguide.com/pdfs/StateTowingLaws.pdf

I was towing my 5er at 62 mph this weekend and I was passed by a 5th wheel probably doing at least 75 Mph. 5 minutes later he was off the side of the road with a blowout shredded tire which totally tore up fender area.
 
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Originally Posted by Flyct
According to this list the speed limit for trailers in your state is 55 mph.
http://onlinetowingguide.com/pdfs/StateTowingLaws.pdf

I was towing my 5er at 62 mph this weekend and I was passed by a 5th wheel probobly doing at least 75 Mph. 5 minutes later he was off the side of the road with a blowout shredded tire which totally tore up fender area.
What's a speed limit?
 
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Don't Ford's technical specifications show a different deflection rate on the rear springs between the 250 and 350?
 


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