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Old 11-08-2017, 01:19 AM
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Moving on to the interior, I pulled the headliner so I could put a coating on the inside of the cargo area, and I accidentally snapped nearly all of the plastic retainers despite using a panel-puller. No problem, right? If I can't find 'em in the retail stores, then the dealer's got to have 'em, right?



$47 and a week later, I had 15 of the wrong parts waiting for me at the counter. The one on the left is what I needed, and the one on the right is what I got. Why I didn't check them before I left, is beyond me, but when I returned I was told that despite the fact that he looked up & ordered the wrong part, and because they were obsolete, I would only be refunded dealer-cost, minus 20% restocking, minus shipping, which comes to a grand-total of ...all I remember was my eyes turned yellow, my skin started to turn green, and all I could say is, “Please stop! You don't want to see me when I'm angry!” No, I actually stood there, and waited for the guy to acknowledge that he's trying to deliver the dry-shaft to a dude that's guaranteed to need more parts, but he just stared back, and finally said, “Whatever you wanna do.” I didn't do what I wanted to do, but there just might be some freebies around here since I've decided my van doesn't need a headliner anyway, and I've got a few (~15) spare parts that I don't need.



Lesser things were starting to bother me that would only take a couple/few dollars here & there to remedy such as the driver's window-crank.



Dorman PN: 76931 had been at my favorite local parts-house for so long the package had been yellowed and stapled back together a couple of times, and they were undoubtedly almost as happy to be rid of it as I was to be getting it.



I was surprised that it was a pressed fit instead of screwed, but I guess that makes better sense, and I'm quite happy with the end result.



I admit that pound-for-pound, these little things bring me a great sense of accomplishment, especially when I start to see how they all add up to make it all look a little less like a “heap.”



Somewhere along the line, all the taillights all got about 3” of wire cut out of them (prob. trailer-lights to go with the obviously overloaded, bent back-bumper), and I had to teach myself to solder & use heat-shrink - Yeah, I finally learned, but remember, it's not nice to make fun ...nah, go ahead, I can't blame ya!

TIP: Ditch that lead-free junk, and use a flux.



As it turned out, soldering was a valuable craft to know since there was a LOT of that to be done behind the dash.



I had to buy a “reverse” stereo wiring harness (Metra PN: 71-1772) in order to solder the radio plug back into the dash, as well as a Metra PN: 70-1772 adapter harness to get my '86 radio in there – hey, the radio was only 99! How could I not? I painstakingly epoxied the dash all back together, and when I went to reinstall it, everywhere I pressed on it just developed a new crack, and eventually it just crumbled into pieces, and the whole thing just seemed to disintegrate in my hands as I was trying to press it into place, so I found a real good deal on a NOS dash piece with a funky brown finish that may or may not get a coat of black over it – not sure yet, but I do know I liked the cool-kinda' texture on the original black one better. I also had to install a Dorman PN:85845 90 sending unit / cigarette lighter pigtail wire since the cigarette lighter had been tapped into so many times that there wasn't hardly anything left to solder to. The horn button was a used piece from the 'Bay that I bought because mine was missing altogether, but it didn't seem to help with my lack of a functioning horn at all. Not sure what's up with that, and the horns themselves aren't behind the front bumper like I thought they'd be. Not real sure where they're supposed to be, so I really don't even know if they're missing or what.

It's a long way off, but when the time is right, I'm thinking about something like this ClassicCarStereos PN: 1005 [EDIT: <---that's a retro-fit for a 6x9 speaker which I'm pretty sure won't work in place of the factory 6x8] to get some sound, and I'll worry about mounting door speakers later on (like, way later on).



Right now I've got a big hole in the center of the dash where the old speaker used to be, but it hasn't quite made the priority-list yet. After all that soldering I've done, the battery light now comes on, and I think I need to focus more on getting 'er driving down the road before I worry about the radio.
 
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Old 11-08-2017, 03:07 AM
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Y'all thought I was done for the night, huh? Well, not quite, but this should bring you guys up to speed.



From under the van, the catalytic converter had separated from the tail pipe, and (again) I found a nasty little surprise.



It would appear that when it was discovered that the cat was clogged, someone tried to force the pipe rearwards without loosening the hanger clamp, and snapped the hanger bracket.



A buddy of mine had an ole' junky welder with a bad tip on it, but he said he'd do the job if the price was right (one tall-boy), and it seems to have done the trick.



I bolted it back into place, and it appears to be holding up, so no complaints thus far.

At the moment I have a MagnaFlow PN: 93301 on order, and as a matter of fact, I missed the brown truck just today trying to deliver it, and I got a little notice left for me, so I should be taking possession of my new stainless direct-fit catalytic converter tomorrow YAY! However, as if I didn't know it was coming, I still haven't gotten around to ordering the donut-gasket (Walker PN: 31400). Still, I'll try to keep things here as up-to-date as possible, and for now I bid you all g'night. Cotton
 
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Old 11-08-2017, 05:00 PM
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I would have added a piece of metal to that bracket.

I like seeing this "bring it back to life" type threads
 
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Old 11-11-2017, 03:23 PM
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great job you are doing! look here for the clips if you still want them. $10 to $13 dollars for a pack of 50!!! You might also find some other parts you need here.. In the search box you can also just type in ford and get a long list of parts
Car-Pak.com, Complete Automotive Supply and Equipment

Here is another store with lots of parts that might not be in the first store
http://www.clipsandfasteners.com/For...eners_s/63.htm
 
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Old 11-14-2017, 04:08 PM
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great job you are doing! look here for the clips if you still want them. $10 to $13 dollars for a pack of 50!!! You might also find some other parts you need here.. In the search box you can also just type in ford and get a long list of parts
Car-Pak.com, Complete Automotive Supply and Equipment

Here is another store with lots of parts that might not be in the first store
Ford Clips And Fasteners


+Rep for being awesome!!! I've spent hours pouring over online images of retaining clips, and never found 'em - Thank you VERY much for the links!


Your encouragement is appreciated as well. Since I see it all the time, and imporvement is pretty slow-going, I need a bit of a kick sometimes to get back on task, and hearing that someone else thinks I'm doing well can be good for my motivation. Many thanks my friend, Cotton
 
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Good luck on your build, it can be frustrating. (I own a 1989 & 1990).

But I had to laugh when you did a 'BTW' and chastised Numberdummy when he offered his help. I hope he offers help to me if & when I need it. There are a few members here that have such extensive knowledge that it may not be too smart to rap their knuckles if they offer up advice. History has shown that those members go away when they are treated rudely.

Just saying.
 
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Old 11-15-2017, 06:54 PM
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Good luck on your build, it can be frustrating. (I own a 1989 & 1990).

But I had to laugh when you did a 'BTW' and chastised Numberdummy when he offered his help. I hope he offers help to me if & when I need it. There are a few members here that have such extensive knowledge that it may not be too smart to rap their knuckles if they offer up advice. History has shown that those members go away when they are treated rudely.

Just saying.


I very-much hope that Numbers didn't take that personally, because that's not at all how I intended it. I have absolutely no spite towards Numbers AT ALL, and I appreciate that he's tried to be helpful. My post was not just meant to be directed at this one specific person, but for anyone reading it since it was intended to promote good forum etiquette - nothing more. I can runaway at the keyboard sometimes, and I believe it's good to know when it's time to apologize for a slight or obvious impatience that may have rudely steeped through onto a post.

I'll see you bringing this up not as though you're trying to be the one standing over a proverbial pot of pooh with a stir-stick, but as a friendly personal address, so I'm going to share something with all of y'all that is likely going to make me infinitely less popular on this forum.

BEGIN TANGENT: I have NEVER left a Ford dealership happy. EVER. That includes parts, service, and sales. I've been to many Ford dealerships spread out over several years and several states, and I mean to say that out of easily hundreds of visits, I have left every time feeling like I've wasted my time and/or money. It is not the disintegrating 30+ year old plastic dash, or the parts-guy behind the counter whose ego doesn't even come close to matching his inclination, and its not the way that service has a tendency to leave my interior dirty and "thrown back together" after recalls (because it's just a 10yo. cheapie Ranger anyway) that's keeping me loyal to the brand. It has nothing to do with the fact that they don't make hardly anything new with a standard trans, and when buying used I paid $10K less for my F150 at Honda, and my Ranger was $5K cheaper from Toyota when comparing the EXACT same trucks that were bought at the same auction at the same time from the same previous owner - (company trucks) both times, and the competing dealers were less than 10 miles away! I have bought four Ford vehicles since 2008, and that is because my car company of choice cost us (tax-payers) over 10 BILLION dollars (never mind the banking companies that financed them), so if I wanted to buy a true-blue American car, I have one company left to choose from.

What I mean to say is: If you buy new from Ford, and have it serviced under warranty, you will likely love your Ford, and never have any problems before it's time for a new one - every few years or so. However, I've bought used and older (and one just plain "old"), and have concluded that with regards to anything that I personally drive and/or work on, I cannot rely on "regular" services that are more specifically tailored to the late-model driver. With that said, it would be incredibly stupid of me to intentionally insult someone that obviously knows what they're doing, and has access to resources that are normally greeted at the dealership with eye-rolling from the parts-guy ...that's just from the selfish perspective. I don't even dare consider that a veteran forum member would even be of the level to be insulted by a newbie such as myself, and/or possibly being offended to the point of an angry exit. Nah, I try to be kind & courteous to everyone, and while I'm not at all perfect, if I even think that I might have offended someone, it'll bother me until I make some kind of apology to be sure. As far as I'm concerned, we're all friends here, and the things posted between us should always try & be read in a friendly tone first. So far as I know we're all good here. Cotton
 
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Great to know. As we all know the written words intent can easily be misconstrued, which has happened here.

You appear to be a thoughtful considerate soul looking for help.
 
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...You appear to be a thoughtful considerate soul looking for help.
You make me sound so hippie ...I can dig it.

The way I would describe a typical Texas winter is about like this: Along about Halloween, you're gonna want to start taking a hoodie or a flannel with you since it'll start getting cool during the evening, and every few years or so it'll freeze overnight. On a very rare occasion we'll get enough snow to make snowballs, and then it'll shoot back up into the 60's & 70's again after a couple/few days. Now I don't know what's going on here, but I was promised that if I used enough aerosol cans, I would get some global-warming, and so far I've used TONS of the stuff just on this project, and I'm feeling like somebody's not doing their part, because it has been stoopid-cold outside for like, WAY too long! ...and snow sucks!

However, we did get a couple (like 2) days in there where it wasn't raining (or snowing), and it was warm enough that the feeling in my fingers wouldn't fade for just long enough to get some work done on the van.



This headliner has been bugging me for a good while now, so I decided to finally do something about it. I used the old one for a template (something I wish I'd have done with the rear pieces too) and I used a piece of plastic pebble-finish paneling (the kind that you see in commercial restrooms) that I picked up for ~$30 at the local box-builder store, but I put the finished side up, so I went after the "back" with a couple of rattle-cans I picked up at Wally-World.



Of course I couldn't leave well-enough alone, having all that pretty new paint held in with panels that haven't seen new paint in over 30 years, so I used some more of my touch-up paint to get things nice & shiny again.



In a world where "paint-booth" & "the yard" are synonymous, you'ld expect nothing but the best right?



The fasteners got hit with a copper brush so that they looked at least a little better against the newly painted trim pieces, but those really awesome plastic retainers that hold up the dividing trim rail were (of course) destroyed, so whereas I would have liked to use four pieces to hold it up, only two survived (in total), but I guess I shouldn't complain since they seem to be doing the job.







It was a genuine PITA as a solo-job, but it didn't turn out too bad if I may say so myself. The only scratches are on the driver's side, so no one will be able to see them but me ...where they can drive me crazy every time I'm in the driver's seat. I'll see if I can't pick up a dome light lense aftermarket, and then I plan on pulling up the rubber mat for a thorough cleaning, and probably pull the new dash panel for some black trim paint.

Stay tuned for more updates (as weather allows)! Cotton
 
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That was a good idea.
Did you use any insulation between the paneling and the roof?
 
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I was going to wait until I had all of my headliner done before posting again, but I have a tendency to throw too many irons on the fire at once, and I still lack one final ceiling panel, but enough progress has been made that it's worth posting anyway. As for the front headliner insulation, I used the original puffy squares, but I almost immediately started wondering if condensation might get trapped between the plastic board and the metal roof, and if I had it to do over again, I would look into getting the hard-to-come-by perforated headliner board from R.E.M Automotive Parts Inc. to be sure that it can “breathe”. I still may look into it later, but it'll do for now.

This seemed to be the opportune time to get all the crusty-dried caulk from around the rain-gutters, so I went after it with a wire-wheel, and of course I discovered the stuff that nightmares are made of...








... RUST!



The on-going theme seemed to be “Just in Time”, only I'm still not sure if it's in time to save it, or was I just in time to miss the window of salvation – Time will tell all. So I got started on sanding down the half-acre of roof on this thing, and right when I thought I would rather be doing anything else, a recall notice for my Ranger came in the mail, and I decided I was far too busy for all that, and I found myself to be a little relieved to be covered head-to-toe in rust dust.



I went ahead and hit the hood while I was at it since it was pretty well toasted, and really couldn't get much worse anyway.



Vulkem 116 has turned out to be awesome stuff. It's paintable, and super-messy, but I had an expert show me tips & tricks on how to not get it everywhere, so after an afternoon of cleaning up after myself, I learned to just mask everything off & wear gloves for perfect application with the second tube – but seriously, I love this stuff; it worked great. I didn't take a lot of pictures, but I used this stuff all around on the rain gutters, but unfortunately life seems to go faster than the pictures can capture sometimes, and I wish I'd gotten a few more pics.



Here it is with the roof and hood primered. At some point I forgot to mention that I had to replace three of the four side marker lights which I got from the Rock for cheap, and I had to remove & glue my “ECONOLINE” badge back together since it had split right down the middle. I'm getting pretty good at gluing stuff back together.



Shot the hood with touch-up paint, and cleared it. Pictures do not do it justice...



...that is to say that my camera isn't showing how flawed it really is. In person, I'd imagine I'd have to answer questions like, “How did you get the finish to look just like the skin of an un-peeled orange Cotton?” Well my friends, it's a combination of pine-pollen and complete incompetence



It seems that sometimes I look at this van, and I think, 'Man, that's a nice solid cargo design, and the chassis & drive-line are bullet-proof,' and then it seems to be all the junk attached to this rock-solid platform that seems to be constantly falling apart ...like the grill. The grill had a huge crack in it, so I pulled it, glued it, and shot it with plastic-friendly Rust-Oleum primer along with “Steel” colored Rust-Oleum wheel paint that I picked up at Wally-World.



The headlight bezels were painted with a black trim paint (I'll try to get PN's later), and a $5 oval from the 'Bay is stuck on there with some 3M weatherstripping adhesive. I bought new fasteners for the upper grill, and had to use stainless finishing washers below to reattach it since the bottom had broken off of quite a few of the mounting tabs. But all-in-all, it's not far from bad, and not bad from afar.

Gooder 'n snuff, & a lot less gritty. Cheers, Cotton
 
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Looks like it's coming along well.
It's great your getting the hang of painting the orange peel finish
I had forgotten about the 116...I've read very good reviews on it.
The weather here's about steady enough that I can tackle some paint repair on myn.
 
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