6.0 vs cummins swap or not?
#1
6.0 vs cummins swap or not?
I have a 05 f-350 6.0 4x4 lifted with 38s on it and I drive hard and use it. I have already put 9 injectors into it in just over 80000 km since I owned it and another one went their not spark plugs I'm not going to change them ever 40000 km and left me stranded on the road twice in 6 months and so I'm fighting with the thought of a cummins swap the motor right now has arp studs the moved oil cooler after market garret turbo egr deleated, aftermarket y pipe and a sct tuner but also blow by on 3 of the odd side cylinders.
So what are pros and cons of the swap as it were or is their anything to do that will make the injectors last respectably and if so where do I find the reading material to change them myself?
So what are pros and cons of the swap as it were or is their anything to do that will make the injectors last respectably and if so where do I find the reading material to change them myself?
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#3
If I go off your recommendation cummins swap it is a ford shop won't deal with it a good shop will it's way easier to find a shop to work on a cummins than a 6.0 a motors a motor to a good shop, and most shops shouldn't put their fingers in a 6.0l they don't have a clue cost me a couple grand to find that one out and I don't deal with ford haven't had a good experience yet plus a mechanical 12v cummins I do most of the work I can it's just that not having an degree in pissing ppl off aka electrical engineering I tend to stay away from the 6.0
#4
If I go off your recommendation cummins swap it is a ford shop won't deal with it a good shop will it's way easier to find a shop to work on a cummins than a 6.0 a motors a motor to a good shop, and most shops shouldn't put their fingers in a 6.0l they don't have a clue cost me a couple grand to find that one out and I don't deal with ford haven't had a good experience yet plus a mechanical 12v cummins I do most of the work I can it's just that not having an degree in pissing ppl off aka electrical engineering I tend to stay away from the 6.0
#5
In general if you swap the engine it will have a $0 resale value and you are the only one who will be working on it.
Given that you have gone to shops in the past I would say having a swap done would cost you more than getting another truck(again assuming you are paying someone to do it).
The 6.0 is a fairly straight forward engine once you understand the HEUI injection system and have a data reader like IDS, Forscan, or even torque pro.
There is no reason a bulletproofed 6.0 cant be reliable and last multiple 100k km. If you are going through injectors that quick you have another issue.
At least that is my opinion.
Richard
Given that you have gone to shops in the past I would say having a swap done would cost you more than getting another truck(again assuming you are paying someone to do it).
The 6.0 is a fairly straight forward engine once you understand the HEUI injection system and have a data reader like IDS, Forscan, or even torque pro.
There is no reason a bulletproofed 6.0 cant be reliable and last multiple 100k km. If you are going through injectors that quick you have another issue.
At least that is my opinion.
Richard
#6
I do work on my truck when it's at home where the tools are but as mentioned before I do tend to stay away from computer controlled especially when my ipr has gone and something that important won't even give a engine code. 4 different shops across 1000km stretch of highway in 3 years 2 with in the last six months and one was the 6.0 specialist what just told me I don't know what was wrong and put in a new hpop because it was only putting out 85% and all he said was excessive blow by and a couple week injectors so I was expecting a injector but couldn't find anything else. I'm tired of sleeping in my truck on the side of the highway and we have cold winters in Canada so I have a bitter taste in my mouth. I drive the wheels off my veichels before selling so I'm not looking for resale I'll make it what I need or see how far it can fly and no one has recommended the magic blue spring or a fass fuel pump but I'm not interested in spending a cent on a experiment especially when the first guy said new motor and I looked into a long block and I'm looking for advice where ppl should bleed blue to make it reliable and thanks for the advice on how to fix it tho
#7
Do you have a fuel pressure gauge that you can put on it?
I would see where you at with the fuel pressure it it's eating injectors.
Most everyone here and I would also say even more so with the older
members don't do the throw parts at a problem and hope. There are
quite a few ways to test things and some will give you answers when
others are not.
I have the plans for a pressure tool that will allow you to simulate a
WOT run while at idle so your not having to go out and run it hard.
All you do is run the side with the orifice back to the tank or into a container so you can save it.
You start the engine and watch the pressure at idle then open the valve and recheck the pressure
still at idle. What this does is simulate the fuel demand of a WOT run.
We have all tyoes of ways to get diagnostics done without breaking the bank.
One other nice low cost tool that can be used on other applications is the ELM
OBD2 tool. You just get the software and the tool so you can read most all
of the engine data live and also read codes too. It does not do any programming
but the diagnostics aspect is very handy to have.
I would see where you at with the fuel pressure it it's eating injectors.
Most everyone here and I would also say even more so with the older
members don't do the throw parts at a problem and hope. There are
quite a few ways to test things and some will give you answers when
others are not.
I have the plans for a pressure tool that will allow you to simulate a
WOT run while at idle so your not having to go out and run it hard.
All you do is run the side with the orifice back to the tank or into a container so you can save it.
You start the engine and watch the pressure at idle then open the valve and recheck the pressure
still at idle. What this does is simulate the fuel demand of a WOT run.
We have all tyoes of ways to get diagnostics done without breaking the bank.
One other nice low cost tool that can be used on other applications is the ELM
OBD2 tool. You just get the software and the tool so you can read most all
of the engine data live and also read codes too. It does not do any programming
but the diagnostics aspect is very handy to have.
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If I go off your recommendation cummins swap it is a ford shop won't deal with it a good shop will it's way easier to find a shop to work on a cummins than a 6.0 a motors a motor to a good shop, and most shops shouldn't put their fingers in a 6.0l they don't have a clue cost me a couple grand to find that one out and I don't deal with ford haven't had a good experience yet plus a mechanical 12v cummins I do most of the work I can it's just that not having an degree in pissing ppl off aka electrical engineering I tend to stay away from the 6.0
Have you checked compression on each cylinder?
#9
IMO, the biggest issue is the PCM. It also contains the TCM. The transmission computer use engine parameters in its control strategies. That said, there are shops (and maybe internet package deals) that deal w/ these conversions. It isn't just a simple "a motor is a motor" swap though.
the money that goes with it. Then there is the diag costs if something
has an issue later down the road. Some of us can help with info where we can.
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