It'd make sense if they had it in a Tier 3 Diesel emission standards for Dummies language. So basically it's just more strict on NOx levels, Particulate matter and overall fleet numbers as well. Makes sense just wish they said what some of the things were and an explanation of what each is.

VW really screwed the pooch with their scandal and FCA isn't helping us any.

 

I've owned and love broncos!! There is only two things I want and that's a V8 and removable top.

I just don't want that rice v6 sound in a 4x4.

V8 option or no sale for me anyways.

 

No, the expedition is NOT based of the F150

 

Anything diesel

 

From the Wikipedia piece on the Expy:

"The Ford Expedition is a full-size SUV produced by the American automaker Ford Motor Company. Introduced for the 1997 model year as the successor of the Ford Bronco, the Expedition is the first full-size Ford SUV sold with a four-door body. For its entire production life, the Ford Expedition has been derived from the corresponding generation of the Ford F-150 in production, sharing body and mechanical components."

From 1978-1996, the Bronco was based on the F150, just as the big Blazer/Suburban were based on the Chevy 1500 pickup and the Ramcharger was based on the Dodge 150 pickup. The current Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban are based on Chevy pickups. And the Excursion was based on the F250.

Not rocket science, just facts that make for production and certification efficiency. Yes, the Expy has IRS, but a great many parts are shared with the F150. The '78 Bronco was just a sawed-off pickup truck sharing many more parts with the pickups.

 

Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia. The expedition had Not based off the expedition in quite some time

 

I respectfully suggest that you read up on historic Ford platform engineering through whatever sources you do trust. The Expy certainly differs from the F150 (and parts of the 2017 date back to the 1997 Expy and F150) but the new 2018 Expy will absolutely be based directly off the current F150 platform.

Ford is aiming to reduce their worldwide platforms down to 9 from the current 14. They are not going to develop unique large vehicles with limited sales; fuel economy regs and/or another fuel price spike could kill that market. The new Bronco will be based on the new Ranger platform.

Back to the engine issue--I sincerely hope that EcoBoosts prove to have the ability to go 200k or more miles without needing expensive turbo replacements or other work...only time will tell on that. Ford is banking heavily on the EB technology and I am still a bit skeptical that they'll last like the 4.6/5.4 2V engines... If I wait to buy a new Bronco, it will most certainly have some sort of EB in it.

 

The Expedition most certainly shares many components with the F-150, it's the only way to keep production costs down and repair parts available. It makes perfect sense.

It's also very smart that the Bronco and Ranger will share many components as well.

 

If rumors are true and the next Bronco is the Ford Everest, then it'll probably have the 3.3 V6, an EcoBoost and possibly a diesel. However looking at pictures of the Everest, it's pretty much an Explorer, so what would be the point of Ford having another Explorer size SUV in the line up, unless the Explorer is being discontinued? Unless it's being radically changed to be like a Wrangled (doubting very much now), then you might as well buy an Explorer and equip it off road rather than buying the Bronco.

 

The Explorer is a transverse engined unit body crossover based on the Taurus... The Everest is almost identical to the old body-on-frame Explorer (which is more the size of the Edge) and would have more offroad capability and be based on a tougher RWD platform.

The Wrangler overlaps the Cherokee in size but the Wrangler is an off roader and the Cherokee is a transverse engine car based crossover. Pretty different vehicles, and the Wrangler is more of a cash cow.

I question why Ford has the Explorer and the Flex also, but they do--almost identical footprint but the Flex is lower and more minivan-like.

People buy lots of SUV's and Ford is just carving up the market into further niches. I'm guessing the Bronco will have more of an off-road SUV "costume" than the Everest also. I'm guessing if there is an odd man out in the lineup, it'll be the Flex.

George

 

Since the expedition is based off the f150 what parts do they share other than the engine/trans?

 

This is a thread about new Bronco engines, my friend. I would guess from 1978-96, everything from the front seat forward was shared, including the doors. 1997-2003 probably dashboard forward. In 2004 the F150 veered away into different styling, leaving the Expy with the same basic body parts as the 2003 version--parts that were already developed and shared with the older F150--but I'm guessing that a lot of electrical, cooling, brake, and suspension parts continued to be shared, along with wheel format and stuff like airbags and crumple zone parts.

The 2018 Expy redesign will move to the 2015+ aluminum bodied F150 platform and understructure even if the outer body panels are different (kind of like Ford/Mercury/Lincoln body diffs on the same platform). Main diff will be the IRS which is unique to the Expy but the frame from the center forward will likely be the same as the F150, just like it was in 1978, 1980 redesign, 1986 redesign, 1992 redesign, and the 1997 "aero" redesign. I think the Bronco was partially "frozen" into the 1997 F150 redesign thru 2017--the doors, etc are the same.

Go look at pics of the F150 and the Bronco from each of those generations and tell me they are not the same truck except for the short wheelbase and body on the Expy. So look for common suspension, engine, HVAC, crash zone parts, etc. in 2018 as well.

Back to Bronco engines. I'm interested in a smaller, Ranger-based Bronco myself.

 

I would want a 2.7 EcoBoost in an aluminum bodied 2 door version. I doubt there will be a V8 in the Bronco or Ranger. Chevy was doing a V8 in the Colorado for awhile and it didn't sell well. Ford put a 4.6 in Explorers, same. Toyota put a V8 in 4 runners, same same. Even Land Rover has taken the V8 out of the LR4. I'm afraid V8s are not going to be seen in mid size and down vehicles much longer. The only ones left are the Jeep Grand Cherokee and the Dodge Durango.

I'd really like to see an F150 based Bronco, but I'll at least give the smaller one a look. I already have an F150, so a smaller run around truck would be nice.

 

That is funny i said 2015 F150, NOT anything prior

 

A shared platform does not mean simultaneous...look how long the 2V 5.4 was used in the E vans (2016) despite its discontinuance in the F150 in 2004. You seem more anxious to win some kind of clueless strawman argument than share information here.

I did space out and short-circuit the Bronco and Expy....but the old Bronco basically became the Expy in 1997, as a 4 door. Like the Bronco II became the Explorer in 1991.

The 2018 Expy WILL be based on the aluminum 2015 F150 and the new Bronco will be based on the new Ranger pickup. Done.