2003 V10 Still Stalls After Dealer Fix/Diagnostic Help Please!
#16
The second relay removes the high current load on the contacts of the OEM relay.
If I measured the resistance of the fuel pump correctly it draws 15A thru a 20A relay.
The second relay is mounted to the right of the glove box and can easily be changed.
I did not have a problem with the OEM fuel pump relay, but it seems to be a weak link.
I also added 2 switches that allows changing the circuit back to original or connect the fuel pump directly to the battery for troubleshooting.
I also added a voltmeter to monitor system voltage and connected it at the inertia switch output to the fuel pump.
You can get a BAFX Products 34t5 Bluetooth OBDII Scan Tool on Amazon for $22., but it's for Android devices.
There are units available for Apple devices, too.
Torque Pro from Google for $4.99 works fine.
There are others that are probably fine, too.
If I measured the resistance of the fuel pump correctly it draws 15A thru a 20A relay.
The second relay is mounted to the right of the glove box and can easily be changed.
I did not have a problem with the OEM fuel pump relay, but it seems to be a weak link.
I also added 2 switches that allows changing the circuit back to original or connect the fuel pump directly to the battery for troubleshooting.
I also added a voltmeter to monitor system voltage and connected it at the inertia switch output to the fuel pump.
You can get a BAFX Products 34t5 Bluetooth OBDII Scan Tool on Amazon for $22., but it's for Android devices.
There are units available for Apple devices, too.
Torque Pro from Google for $4.99 works fine.
There are others that are probably fine, too.
I own a 2003 V10 with the same issue as OP. I have a feeling the problem we are having is with the pump relay. Do you have any picture on how you added the second relay?
#17
Found this post on random Ford answer site, he lists parts that were changed to try and fix the problem:
I have a 2003 Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 that has a range ndom stalling problem. Nothing is consistent with the stalling out and it is completely random. The interior power and lights still work when it stalls. It always restarts after the ignition is turned off for 45 seconds to 1 minute. Sometimes it happens 30 seconds apart, sometimes 5 minutes and sometimes weeks between episodes.
I have replaced the MAF sensor, IAC valve, crank position sensor, cam position sensor, PCV, fuel filter and fuel pump recently to try to tackle this problem and have not had success. I have swapped relays and combed the wiring for bad grounds and freyed wires.
The only thing that seems to work (temporarily) is when I reset the PCM by pulling the negative battery terminal and installing a small gauge alligator clip set between the disconnected ground and positive and leave it that way for 45 min to an hour.
Any ideas here or should I go to the next step and replace the PCM?
I have a 2003 Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 that has a range ndom stalling problem. Nothing is consistent with the stalling out and it is completely random. The interior power and lights still work when it stalls. It always restarts after the ignition is turned off for 45 seconds to 1 minute. Sometimes it happens 30 seconds apart, sometimes 5 minutes and sometimes weeks between episodes.
I have replaced the MAF sensor, IAC valve, crank position sensor, cam position sensor, PCV, fuel filter and fuel pump recently to try to tackle this problem and have not had success. I have swapped relays and combed the wiring for bad grounds and freyed wires.
The only thing that seems to work (temporarily) is when I reset the PCM by pulling the negative battery terminal and installing a small gauge alligator clip set between the disconnected ground and positive and leave it that way for 45 min to an hour.
Any ideas here or should I go to the next step and replace the PCM?
#18
Found this post on random Ford answer site, he lists parts that were changed to try and fix the problem:
I have a 2003 Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 that has a random stalling problem. Nothing is consistent with the stalling out and it is completely random. The interior power and lights still work when it stalls. It always restarts after the ignition is turned off for 45 seconds to 1 minute. Sometimes it happens 30 seconds apart, sometimes 5 minutes and sometimes weeks between episodes. ....
I have a 2003 Ford Excursion 6.8 V10 that has a random stalling problem. Nothing is consistent with the stalling out and it is completely random. The interior power and lights still work when it stalls. It always restarts after the ignition is turned off for 45 seconds to 1 minute. Sometimes it happens 30 seconds apart, sometimes 5 minutes and sometimes weeks between episodes. ....
But, there is no mention of what the fuel pressure is when this happens.
This should be the first thing to check.
Oh, he said that.
On a 2003 Excursion the fuel pump relay is not easy to change.
I'm guessing the fuel pump relay was not swapped, maybe the PCM was.
Anyone have any idea what this would do?
#20
Today I am removing my fuse box (oops, I meant Central Junction Box) and sending it to fivestarrepair on eBay to have it rebuilt/fuel pump relay fixed.
If successful, I will post a full tutorial.
Also, as much as I would like to wait it out and see if the fuel pump relay is in fact the culprit, I am also performing other maintenance.
So...I'm doing a full plug change and 10 Denso COPS, along with a new OEM negative battery cable. The negative battery cable/bad grounds have also been a suspect for the stalling.
It will be interesting to see if the fuel pump relay is burned out due to wear/age, and not due to water damage. The fuse black on the 2003 is located under the steering column at the front of your knees...and I really don't see how any water could have leaked into that location.
BTW, pretty common issue on Expeditions; thus the repair service.
Sidenote...also installing KYB MonoMax, PowerStop rotors and pads, and most likely, new BF Goodrich AT's. The truck needs some love...
If successful, I will post a full tutorial.
Also, as much as I would like to wait it out and see if the fuel pump relay is in fact the culprit, I am also performing other maintenance.
So...I'm doing a full plug change and 10 Denso COPS, along with a new OEM negative battery cable. The negative battery cable/bad grounds have also been a suspect for the stalling.
It will be interesting to see if the fuel pump relay is burned out due to wear/age, and not due to water damage. The fuse black on the 2003 is located under the steering column at the front of your knees...and I really don't see how any water could have leaked into that location.
BTW, pretty common issue on Expeditions; thus the repair service.
Sidenote...also installing KYB MonoMax, PowerStop rotors and pads, and most likely, new BF Goodrich AT's. The truck needs some love...
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#21
Today I am removing my fuse box (oops, I meant Central Junction Box) and sending it to fivestarrepair on eBay to have it rebuilt/fuel pump relay fixed.
If successful, I will post a full tutorial.
Also, as much as I would like to wait it out and see if the fuel pump relay is in fact the culprit, I am also performing other maintenance.
So...I'm doing a full plug change and 10 Denso COPS, along with a new OEM negative battery cable. The negative battery cable/bad grounds have also been a suspect for the stalling.
It will be interesting to see if the fuel pump relay is burned out due to wear/age, and not due to water damage. The fuse black on the 2003 is located under the steering column at the front of your knees...and I really don't see how any water could have leaked into that location.
BTW, pretty common issue on Expeditions; thus the repair service.
Sidenote...also installing KYB MonoMax, PowerStop rotors and pads, and most likely, new BF Goodrich AT's. The truck needs some love...
If successful, I will post a full tutorial.
Also, as much as I would like to wait it out and see if the fuel pump relay is in fact the culprit, I am also performing other maintenance.
So...I'm doing a full plug change and 10 Denso COPS, along with a new OEM negative battery cable. The negative battery cable/bad grounds have also been a suspect for the stalling.
It will be interesting to see if the fuel pump relay is burned out due to wear/age, and not due to water damage. The fuse black on the 2003 is located under the steering column at the front of your knees...and I really don't see how any water could have leaked into that location.
BTW, pretty common issue on Expeditions; thus the repair service.
Sidenote...also installing KYB MonoMax, PowerStop rotors and pads, and most likely, new BF Goodrich AT's. The truck needs some love...
I saw a few post and youtube video's talking about the Expeditions having this issue. Going to check out 5 star repairs keep me posted. I miss driving my EX. You are for sure adding a bunch of good stuff to your truck.
I notice on the 2003 Expeditions the fuel pump relay is on the back of the Central Junction box. Let me know if that's the case for the 03 EX. Read that the relay is behind the radio.
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#23
I removed the CJB in about a half hour and I'm sending it out for repair.
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#25
I watched this video
The box comes off in the same manner, except for the following two notes:
The largest plug closest to the steering wheel has the finger slot. Stick your finger in and jiggle and the plug will release itself (the pluc that is about 1.5 inches long).
The positive cable into the box has a cap over the bottom. Remove it, and then unscrew the positive lead, 10mm nuts on all.
Disconnect the positive cable first!
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#28
Update? Mine is getting shipped back from them. Should have it sometime next week.