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Trouble lining up pulleys on 302



i am about done with this 302, it has fought me since I got it back from machine shop. I have a 68 302, bought a water pump for a 68 302, the water pump pulley needs to be shimmed out 3/8 inch to line up with the inside groove on the crank pulley. My ps pump bracket that is from an aftermarket bronco shop, is now lining up behind the inside pulley on the crank.

if I am running a ps pump on driver side and an alternator on pass side, what is the v belt routing. Do I need a double pulley on the water pump?
 
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No 302's until 1969 (F100 only thru 1974).
 
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What do you mean no 302s until 1969
 
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What do you mean no 302s until 1969
1969 was the first year the 302 was available in F100, Bronco & Econoline.
 
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I have a 1968 302 motor. It is going into a hotrod. All I want is a simple v belt setup and a ps pump and alternator. I don't understand why this is so hard. I am pretty sure that 68 302 water pumps and ps pumps and alternators are all the same
 
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"All I want is a simple v belt setup and a ps pump and alternator. I don't understand why this is so hard."


Welcome to Ford!


Over the years Ford made changes to the accessories on the engines, so ideally you should get all of the brackets and accessories with the engine you buy. Even if they are damaged, at least you have samples of what to look for.


I am pretty sure you do need a double sheave water pump pulley to use both A.C. and P.S. But you say this is going into a hotrod, what kind of hotrod uses power steering?


Among the variations of parts, there are different height water pumps, different P.S. pumps and brackets, and even different offset harmonic dampers.
 
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You've got the wrong water pump pulley. And I'll simplify what Beanscoot was saying: it's damned near impossible to mix FEAD parts (Front End Accessory Parts) from different years and applications (and engine families) on Fords. What are the engineering numbers on that water pump pulley ? It looks like a 351C/351M/400 pulley to me. If the third character in the numbers is an "A", that's what it is and not a 302 pulley.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
No 302's until 1969 (F100 only thru 1974).
I know you think you're being helpful here, but you're not. There also weren't any 302's in the 1950's F series trucks either. So your input here is moot.
 
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I am pretty sure you do need a double sheave water pump pulley to use both A.C. and P.S. .
The P/S pump is adjustable to tighten the belt tension so he can use a single sheave waterpump pulley but from the pics, he still needs the correct waterpump pulley to match both the crank and alternator pulley spacing. If he wants to run both alt and P/S, then the easiest setup is that off a late 80's Crown Vic/Marquis/Lincoln Towncar. One belt and both are mounted on the same bracket on the driver's side and use a std rotation waterpump.
 
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No the ps pump is adjustable. I played with it a bit and I think the wp and ps pump are lining up. I was able to move the ps pump back but the bracket that comes off the water pump is close to the adjust or bolt.

is this not the correct routing in the center pic
 
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i am about done with this 302, it has fought me since I got it back from machine shop. I have a 68 302, bought a water pump for a 68 302, the water pump pulley needs to be shimmed out 3/8 inch to line up with the inside groove on the crank pulley.

if I am running a ps pump on driver side and an alternator on pass side, what is the v belt routing. Do I need a double pulley on the water pump?
Don't shim that pulley, doing that will put it out off the pump flange snout and that's TROUBLE when you fire it up and rev it.
 
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Is the snout the center of the shaft. 3/8 will place it just at the end still on the center shaft.
 
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You can run it either way (center or right side pic) But it all needs to line up as you already know.
 
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Is the snout the center of the shaft. 3/8 will place it just at the end still on the center shaft.
Yea, that's the center. But the pulley needs to be centered on it firmly. And then you'll have the fan pulley spacer to center itself on that too.
 
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I am going with an electric fan option so no fan on wp
 


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