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Old 01-23-2017, 04:11 PM
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1985 f600 forestry package (Arial lift/chip box) project

Hey I'm new to the site and hoping to get sum great help have had really good luck with a chevy dump from a chevy forum and figured I'd give this one a go for a ford truck haha well anyway the truck in title is what I'm working with and I drove it about 100 miles from where I bought it and had sum issues in root and took 4 times the time getting back then what it took there and since I've had it home been learning the ins and outs of my rig and figuring out alot and have noticed that I have no vacuum lines hooked up and figured thats why my journey home gave me hell anyone got any help pics would be nice and I can post pics of what I got too if needed .... I have the 6.1l 370 2v engine with 4 speed trans 2 speed rear
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First, WELCOME to FTE!

Second, sounds like a great project. Someone should be along soon for your vacuum routing nightmare
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Old 01-25-2017, 12:01 PM
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Here are some pics of parts that I think have to do with vacuum sysyem

Mind you the truck runs as is and I drove it 100 miles home jus wasnt running 100% but me being the best beater with a heater pilot I made it home wit alot of feathering gas up hills and sumtime it died but it's home so I can get her 100% haha but hope these pics can give sum ideas to u ford specialist cuz this is my first ford I've owned so everything seems totally different to me
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Old 01-25-2017, 06:25 PM
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These pics go with other post

Attaching pics for this is challenging on a phone
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Old 01-25-2017, 08:45 PM
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Looks like a Cali emissions engine. This engine would have come with a electrically controlled vacuum operated, RPM governor. That carburetor does not have it's portion of that.
It also may have had a throttle kicker, vacuum over electric, that slightly opened the throttle plates on deceleration. That allowed enough air into the engine to to stop it from back firing splitting muffler seams and such.
If you are in a state that does not require that you can do away with most of that. If it is an off road vehicle you can do away with all of that including the line that goes to the EGR valve. That is to the best of my understanding and just trying to explain some of those hoses. You do not have to worry too much about the governor on 370 and 429's because they are tough. Dual hose on the distributor: Ford used a vacuum hose on the distributor side of the diaphragm instead of a spring as some other companies. That goes to manifold vacuum. The other hose goes to a port on the carburetor above the throttle plates. The red line to the valve cover is the PVC valve, got to keep it, and replace it. So look for stuff just like you would on your other brands plus it may have a fuel filter can under the pump or in the frame rail.
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:44 AM
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Well I'm not sure about the cali emissions but u know more then me haha but I'm from southern il and the truck might have came from Missouri but it did have illinois title
But anyway u seem to know this engine... in the bottom pic over engine I have two blue arrows that point at a hose port without a hose and the other hose that runs to said part runs to thing that I have white arrow on can u tell me what this is and what it's job is cuz when the motor is running these parts suck in air and blow it and I think it should be going sumwhere becides into engine bay haha
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:48 AM
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The two parts under blue arrows have pulleys and run off the belt so I think the two ports sucking air shuld be hooked up sum where to make sumthing happen since the belts are running sumthing
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:57 AM
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Second pic has two separate vac line ports I think one is a blk plastic thing with two ports coming out side I have red and orange lines by it then there is another thing that has 3 vac ports one coming straight up and two pointed to side but they have a vac line looping them together is this correct or do I need to connect sumthing to these
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Old 01-26-2017, 10:10 AM
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2 more vac pics

Red line I made is another port to carb and it is coming from back of engine and it's plugged is this correct for bypassing whate ver u were talking about and other pic is of another port that has a blue line coming from part wit a orange line vac hose from plastic piece to back of carb .... sorry for all questions jus wanna get this truck running decent to do sum work and BTW it's a bucket truck for a tree service so however it can be hooked up to run and operate fine that's all that matters to me the emissons thing I'm not to concerned with cuz we have power plants making my emissions nonconcernable to there pollution ratio lol
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Old 01-26-2017, 12:22 PM
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Pictures are worth a thousand words haha

I'm pretty sure these two thing got sumthing to do also cuz at the moment they are hybernating with the other vacuum system components ... hopefully my pics are thorough enough for ya cuz me explaining in words would loose most ppl haha cuz I'm not even sure the names of these items
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Old 01-26-2017, 09:09 PM
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At the time that truck was new I worked for a company that had many Ford, GMC, and IHC V8 gas burners. Some of my information may be confused between brands and or forgotten. This information is to the best of my knowledge but I have never seen a carbureted F Model with all that junk on it. However it does look similar to a fuel injected F350 that came form Cali. The belt driven pumps are vein type air compressors. I do not remember them on the Fords but the other brands used one to blow air into the exhaust manifolds. The oxygen allowed a more complete burn of exhaust gasses and would be more efficient with a catalytic converter which none of ours had. Two? One for each side?
I did see one on a car with the veins removed. Then it was just an idler pulley because the belt could not be run without it. The part behind the carburetor, orange circle, is the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation) valve. It opens at times of high manifold vacuum, runs some of it through again for more complete burning of hydrocarbons. The bean can is most likely a vacuum reservoir. Sometimes used for some things like heat and A/C controls or emission controls to still function at times of low manifold vacuum. The plastic cans look like charcoal canisters. They would have hoses hooked up the the float bowl and gas tank vent. That is to capture gas fumes to prevent them from entering the atmosphere.
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Old 01-26-2017, 11:51 PM
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Yes there is two of them but they have two ports on them and only one port on each is hooked up and they hook to the thing with white arrow and the other port is jus open I think it sucks air in or blows have to check.... but the egr valve is that small vac line running to correct place (orange circles) and what about the other open bigger port where should that hook to?
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Old 01-27-2017, 07:01 PM
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Those are belt driven smog pumps. Pull air in from the white arrow (air filter) and blow it into the exhaust. One at the valve where the EGR hose does not belong then through the steel pipe. The other maybe farther down the exhaust system. My shop manual was printed in 1984 and shows a Fuel Evaporative Emissions Control System-For California that looks like yours. However it has no smog pumps. In my opinion your truck did not require all that for where you live even when it was new. It also has botulism became all that stuff you are looking has already been botched up. I would ball it all up in the trash, including pumps, and go from there. If you post your vin# and ask NumberDummy he may be able the get you a diagram of that and maybe even a standard vacuum hose configuration. If a person is able to send a picture from their smart phone to another or an Email address how would they send to a post like this?
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Old 02-02-2017, 10:06 PM
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hey so i messed with smog pump that blows into exhaust, the left pump i hooked line up to grey things big port {wide blue line to left blue arrow pump} that blows into exhaust manifolds, then i plugged vacuum port on side of dizzy{yellow circle}, hooked other pump that blows air into intake airfilter case {right blue arrow pump to top of airfilter case metal port not shown in my pics} and my engine seems to run smoother but when i give it gas hard like im gonna show off it coughs and almost dies but if i push on gas pedal slowly easing into it, it revs fine what could be causing this? could it be the {wide red line} port on back of carb being plugged or could it be the {yellow circle}port ????
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Old 02-03-2017, 07:36 PM
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Maybe check out Holley accelerator pump kit. If you have had it running turn it off. Look in the top of the carburetor and open the throttle. It should spray gas and is adjustable also.
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