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Twin Turbo V8 also!!!!

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My bad... I misunderstood the press release...

Wishful thinking??
 
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What horsepower and torque specs do you folks expect for a Ford 3.0L V6 diesel in the MY18 F150?


185hp@3,000rpm, 350 lbft@1,500 3.2L I5 PSDiesel (Ford Transit

254hp@3,750rpm, 443 lbft@1,750 3.0L V6 Td6 (MY17 Range Rover diesel

365hp@5,000rpm, 420 lbft@2,250 3.5L V6 EcoBoost (F150/Expedition

375hp@5,000rpm, 470 lbft@2,500 3.5L V6 EcoBoost 2nd Gen (MY17 F150

240hp@3,600rpm, 420 lbft@2,000 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel (Ram 1500

310hp@3,200rpm, 555 lbft@1,600 5.0L V8 Diesel (Titan XD

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Old 01-08-2017, 04:23 PM
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Exciting news, will be interesting to see how this is tuned, mpg vs power. Also what the upcharge is vs ecoboost.

Doubt it will be compelling for me, but would be happy to be proven wrong.
 
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while this is nice I figured they would go with the 3.2 since the emissions groundwork is already there? OR is this the CGI block from Dagenham that they were working on several years ago? IF it is the Dagenham engine then the top spec that is being currently used in the Jag and Land Rover are running at 271 hp and 440 ft lbs torque. Appears to be using common rail and twin turbos...figure they may drop the twin snails to one and drop the HP down a shade so they'd have wiggle room when Dodge starts bumping their numbers to compete.

as an aside...I'd REALLY like to see some stuff on the new Ranger.

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Originally Posted by ExcursionPSD
What horsepower and torque specs do you folks expect for a Ford 3.0L V6 diesel in the MY18 F150?

185hp@3,000rpm, 350 lbft@1,500 3.2L I5 PSDiesel (Transit

365hp@5,000rpm, 420 lbft@2,250 3.5L V6 EcoBoost (F150/Expedition

375hp@5,000rpm, 470 lbft@2,500 3.5L V6 EcoBoost 2nd Gen (Raptor

240hp@3,600rpm, 420 lbft@2,000 3.0L V6 EcoDiesel (Ram 1500

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Apparently Ford is trying to resolve some of the downside of the 3.5L EcoBoost v6 with Direct Injection, by adding intake Port fuel injectors, to deliver some fuel to the backsides of the intake valves. Would we call this the Gen 3? This is done on Direct Injection motors from other manufacturers
It'll be close to what's in the Range Rovers right now 271/440 if not more or a bit less. Port and Di are new for the 2017 my on the 3.5 and 2.7 so that's Gen 2 on those.

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while this is nice I figured they would go with the 3.2 since the emissions groundwork is already there? OR is this the CGI block from Dagenham that they were working on several years ago? IF it is the Dagenham engine then the top spec that is being currently used in the Jag and Land Rover are running at 271 hp and 440 ft lbs torque. Appears to be using common rail and twin turbos...figure they may drop the twin snails to one and drop the HP down a shade so they'd have wiggle room when Dodge starts bumping their numbers to compete.

as an aside...I'd REALLY like to see some stuff on the new Ranger.

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The I5 doesn't sound like there's much wiggle room for extra power to compete with the EcoDiesel, so that's one reason they probably chosed the V6 diesel. I hope they give it an exhaust brake, not sure if the turbo would pump out enough back pressure for it. Though I'd expect mpgs to at least meet or exceed the EcoDiesel, considering the F150 does weigh less than the Rovers. Since Ford does mess with power numbers a bit on their luxury lines like Lincoln (EcoBoost has higher numbers for power), I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't detune the engine a bit maybe to 250hp and 430lb/ft.

When the hybrid comes out, it'll have better city numbers mpg wise over the diesel, but the diesel will still shine on highway runs because the hybrid can't use Regen braking as much. Man it's a great time to be a Ford and truck lover, we are spoiled by the choices we now have.
 
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Man it's a great time to be a Ford and truck lover, we are spoiled by the choices we now have.
while I am still waiting patiently for a Ranger the fact that Ford is putting this out there...I can't help but agree 100% with this.
 
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while I am still waiting patiently for a Ranger the fact that Ford is putting this out there...I can't help but agree 100% with this.
I'm too curious on what they'll do with the Ranger. Just hope it'll sell better than the older compact did. Considering Ford at the time did not want to update the Ranger at all for better fuel economy and safety, nor wanting to spend the money retooling Twin Cities Assembly to do it, I don't have high hopes unfortunately. I think the I5 diesel in it will be a great match against the Colorado/Canyon twins and I'm curious if it'll get a manual transmission, considering the twins have one, the V6 and I4 Tacoma has one as well as the Nissan Frontier. Ford would be odd man out if they didn't offer one.

Next few years will be interesting. Ford usually waits a couple more years before a redesign... Notable exception was the 2004-2008 model years. Before it was 97-03 and 09-14. Now it's 15-17. Wonder if the changes will do anything the the aerodynamics of the trucks? Guessing 2020 will be another redesign to add the hybrid to the mix.

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Long time lurker; Any guess as to what the new diesel F150 might be able to tow? 12,000 maybe?
 
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Long time lurker; Any guess as to what the new diesel F150 might be able to tow? 12,000 maybe?
Best guess, about 10,500 to make it more appealing than the RAM EcoDiesel 9,200lbs.
 
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Long time lurker; Any guess as to what the new diesel F150 might be able to tow? 12,000 maybe?
I think that's unlikely. It's probably going to follow a similar path to the EcoDiesel Ram 1500. It typically takes greater displacement and boost for a diesel engine to make power to an equivalent gas engine. It's likely the output numbers will be similar to what you're seeing in the Range Rover at 254/443. That's substantially less than the 375/470 that the 3.5L EB makes.

I'd expect mid-20's for fuel economy and 8-9,000 lbs of towing capacity. Right in the sweet spot for what most use their trucks for, as long as the sale price is right.
 
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I think that's unlikely. It's probably going to follow a similar path to the EcoDiesel Ram 1500. It typically takes greater displacement and boost for a diesel engine to make power to an equivalent gas engine. It's likely the output numbers will be similar to what you're seeing in the Range Rover at 254/443. That's substantially less than the 375/470 that the 3.5L EB makes.

I'd expect mid-20's for fuel economy and 8-9,000 lbs of towing capacity. Right in the sweet spot for what most use their trucks for, as long as the sale price is right.
Good points, thank you!
 
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I'm not in line for a little compression ignition truck. Smelling like you slathered on eau du diesel cologne every time you fill up the truck. Having to carry gloves in the truck to keep the grime from the pump off your hands. Searching for a "good" station when traveling hoping to get decent fuel. Having to wait for one of the couple of diesel pumps to open while some gasser decides to use the combination gas/diesel pumps when 8 or 10 gas only pumps are open. Then have something that won't do what it should..... tow performance. Dealing with the regen problems (not finishing on short trips, economy down the tubes when happening). Nah...
 
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Long time lurker; Any guess as to what the new diesel F150 might be able to tow? 12,000 maybe?
My guess, 8-10k range, likely in the middle. With the new Gen2 3.5EB just released now, it will be the tow king. Ford obviously had the little diesel in the plans when they were working on the new 3.5 EB. I see the new diesel for maximum mpg to meet what ever mark the government requires. Having announced the new 3.3 NA, and the injected 5.0, I'm not sure where this leaves the 2.7?
 
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My guess, 8-10k range, likely in the middle. With the new Gen2 3.5EB just released now, it will be the tow king. Ford obviously had the little diesel in the plans when they were working on the new 3.5 EB. I see the new diesel for maximum mpg to meet what ever mark the government requires. Having announced the new 3.3 NA, and the injected 5.0, I'm not sure where this leaves the 2.7?
Tough to answer. My guess the 2.7 will be around for those who don't want a diesel and don't need the larger 3.5 EcoBoost. The 5.0 is for those that still want a powerful V8 engine and doesn't want to have to worry about turbos. That's my best guess.
 


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