6.0 or 6.7
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6.0 or 6.7
Right now I have the option to buy an older F250 with the 6.0 or I could save up for a year or two and get the F250 with the 6.7 Im having a hard time deciding. The 6.0 is a 2006 with 103000 so not much at all but my current car is a 2006 and I am having a hard time getting a new vehicle with the same year as my current one... I know the 6.0 has its problems but they can be fixed but would it be worth it?
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absolutely not.no engine is worth several thousand dollars in repairs to have properly fixed.this is why,this engine is by far the worst engine to have ever been placed under the hood of an f-series pickup.
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that changes everything then.if you don't need something but simply want it,then even a 6.0l could be worth fixing (to you).
i would still never consider it a wise financial decision or anything but a toy is what it's worth to you and what you can afford for it.
your last comment though; you can't compare one poor spending decision for another in a way to help you justify overspending.you would be overspending either way.so long as you can afford to overspend on an item you don't need (making it a toy) that's cool but spending $ on a toy needs no justification.you should know you'll be overspending and be ok with it,so long as you can afford it (not going into debt,pulling $ early from a mutual fund or the like,depleting savings or emergency backup funds, for it).if you can't,then no.it's,not worth it,no matter what other toy you compare it with.
when i bought my toy; a '68 big block t-bird.i didn't compare it to the cost of a modern super car or even just a modern vett or stang to help justify overspending for something i knew i didn't need.i bought it because i wanted it and i could easily afford it.
was it worth it? to me yes.to many others,probably not.same goes for the 6.0l trucks.we all have different financial situations.there is no one size fits all.
two extreme examples as to who might need or want a 6.0l truck;
a multi millionaire or even just a retired couple with kids doing fine out on their own with families of their own,no mortgage anymore,no debt and nice retirement nest egg,could easily and affordably take a risk on a 6.0l truck.for them it could be a non issues.heck,this couple might even just go ahead and "bullet proof" their 6.0l truck before it even has the common issues because they could afford to do so,before heading across country with the rv.(when i say afford,i mean pay in cash,and might not even miss the $)
now take a working man who uses his truck for a living.mortgage,some credit card debt,personal loan debt,perhaps a car loan for his wife and 5 kids to feed,the 6.0l truck would probably be the worst truck he could ever pick,due to the risk to high repair ratio.it could cripple this family,should a multi thousand dollar repair occur.if they thought living in debt was tough,just wait until they need to head to the lawyers office to see if they qualify for bankruptcy and have that on their shoulders for the next 7 years.ouch.
those are extreme examples.only you can decide where you fit in between,base it on your financial situation and i suppose,the 6.0l trucks are kinda like selecting a stock,in that you've got to determine your risk tolerance in too lol.
i would still never consider it a wise financial decision or anything but a toy is what it's worth to you and what you can afford for it.
your last comment though; you can't compare one poor spending decision for another in a way to help you justify overspending.you would be overspending either way.so long as you can afford to overspend on an item you don't need (making it a toy) that's cool but spending $ on a toy needs no justification.you should know you'll be overspending and be ok with it,so long as you can afford it (not going into debt,pulling $ early from a mutual fund or the like,depleting savings or emergency backup funds, for it).if you can't,then no.it's,not worth it,no matter what other toy you compare it with.
when i bought my toy; a '68 big block t-bird.i didn't compare it to the cost of a modern super car or even just a modern vett or stang to help justify overspending for something i knew i didn't need.i bought it because i wanted it and i could easily afford it.
was it worth it? to me yes.to many others,probably not.same goes for the 6.0l trucks.we all have different financial situations.there is no one size fits all.
two extreme examples as to who might need or want a 6.0l truck;
a multi millionaire or even just a retired couple with kids doing fine out on their own with families of their own,no mortgage anymore,no debt and nice retirement nest egg,could easily and affordably take a risk on a 6.0l truck.for them it could be a non issues.heck,this couple might even just go ahead and "bullet proof" their 6.0l truck before it even has the common issues because they could afford to do so,before heading across country with the rv.(when i say afford,i mean pay in cash,and might not even miss the $)
now take a working man who uses his truck for a living.mortgage,some credit card debt,personal loan debt,perhaps a car loan for his wife and 5 kids to feed,the 6.0l truck would probably be the worst truck he could ever pick,due to the risk to high repair ratio.it could cripple this family,should a multi thousand dollar repair occur.if they thought living in debt was tough,just wait until they need to head to the lawyers office to see if they qualify for bankruptcy and have that on their shoulders for the next 7 years.ouch.
those are extreme examples.only you can decide where you fit in between,base it on your financial situation and i suppose,the 6.0l trucks are kinda like selecting a stock,in that you've got to determine your risk tolerance in too lol.
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I fully understand. I was the same "don't really NEED it boat" but I just wanted a Forever Truck so I upgraded from my Titan to the F250 6.7. At that time I just did moderate hauling of stuff that made the Titan severely squat and strain but I didn't tow anything.
Within the first year I bought my first 7k lbs TT and less than a year after that I traded in the TT on the 5er below. If I didn't get what I got I couldn't do what I do.
Tomorrow is another day Bret, so get what you want and you'll not regret it. At least they are fun to drive.
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So far this year I have had two common rail 5.9s come in with terminal failure, two Duramaxes with burned pistons, and three 6.0s for head gaskets or related issues.
The Duramax and Cummins use common rail tech which I simply don't trust. It works great giving good power and emissions control, runs quiet, but when something fails it kills the engine. And it's not like it'll give much warning, usually you'll start going up a hill, it'll smoke a bit more than usual, and by the top it'll have a solid misfire. If you're lucky all it's done is burned a hole through a piston, but they usually carve a chunk out of the block as well.
The 6.7 uses a different style of common rail injectors which seem to be more durable, but the jury is still out on the high pressure pump.
The base engine of the 6.0 is extremely robust. Their weakness is the TTY head bolts, and shortsighted EPA mandated EGR system. Get rid of those two problems, and you have an engine that can match the 7.3 for longevity while producing more power. The 5r110 Torqshift is amazingly durable as well. I have seen exactly one fail, and it was on a truck that got hit with propane constantly around town. It still made it 200k.
The only failures I have seen on bulletproofed 6.0s are from poor prep. Surface prep is critical on these heads, most guys will hit them with a Roloc pad in a die grinder and then blame the engine when it fails. You need a ~25rms finish, a cookie will give somewhere around 100, which is way too rough for the gasket to seal properly. Scrape with a razor blade, and dress with 600grit paper, and you are in the ballpark. I have never seen a failure with proper prep.
The Duramax and Cummins use common rail tech which I simply don't trust. It works great giving good power and emissions control, runs quiet, but when something fails it kills the engine. And it's not like it'll give much warning, usually you'll start going up a hill, it'll smoke a bit more than usual, and by the top it'll have a solid misfire. If you're lucky all it's done is burned a hole through a piston, but they usually carve a chunk out of the block as well.
The 6.7 uses a different style of common rail injectors which seem to be more durable, but the jury is still out on the high pressure pump.
The base engine of the 6.0 is extremely robust. Their weakness is the TTY head bolts, and shortsighted EPA mandated EGR system. Get rid of those two problems, and you have an engine that can match the 7.3 for longevity while producing more power. The 5r110 Torqshift is amazingly durable as well. I have seen exactly one fail, and it was on a truck that got hit with propane constantly around town. It still made it 200k.
The only failures I have seen on bulletproofed 6.0s are from poor prep. Surface prep is critical on these heads, most guys will hit them with a Roloc pad in a die grinder and then blame the engine when it fails. You need a ~25rms finish, a cookie will give somewhere around 100, which is way too rough for the gasket to seal properly. Scrape with a razor blade, and dress with 600grit paper, and you are in the ballpark. I have never seen a failure with proper prep.
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I had a 6.0. It was an awesome truck-but it was always in the shop. My advice-save up and buy a 6.7...new if you can. My 6.7 is more reliable. Who knows what the previous 2 owners did to that 6.0....but it finally left me on the side of the road in rural Colorado 750 miles from home. It wasn't the usual 6.0 stuff...but I had it with the trouble. Loved that truck though.
#14
Kinda sorta agree with that logic - but then there is potential of "buying someone else's problems" and besides a new truck sure smells good.
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I have a 7.3 now but previously owned a 6.0. The only issue I had with the 6.0 was getting the FICM reprogrammed when it pooped out. I kinda miss 6.0 as I felt it was a bit beefier. No gripe with the 7.3 but I am now picking up a '14 6.7.
I'll tell you that my biggest concern with the 6.7 is the tiny, cramped engine compartment. You're going to have to lift the body off if you want to get in deep.
I'll tell you that my biggest concern with the 6.7 is the tiny, cramped engine compartment. You're going to have to lift the body off if you want to get in deep.
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