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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 11:51 AM
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Fixed one problem, found another...

Edit for vehicle specs: 76 f150 with 360 np435 and NP 205

So, I had been having an issue with my bed lights (which turned out to be bad sockets) but while poking around under my truck looking at wiring I found this....




Broken tcase mount.

I'm sure this is a sign that other mounts (motor/trans) have gone bad. But I'm having difficulties finding a replacement mount. Is this something I should just weld back together or should I get a new piece of steel and bend it into shape? Or better yet if somebody knows where I could find a replacement mount that would be ideal.

All I seem to be able to find are poly bushings, not the mount it self. I've checked my local yards but 4x4s are a rare find and they're usually robbed of parts with in days of hitting the yard (large 4x4 presence in my area).

I've gotta do my clutch before winter comes so taking care of this at the same time would be ideal.

Thanks for your help!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 11:58 AM
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How you got from your tail lights to the t case, rolling around on the creeper eye balling along the way I bet, good catch for sure.

If a JY one can't be sourced, remove it take it to a professional welding shop, unless you have the welding equip and skills to do yourself? I would weld in on the outside only so the back side is still flat to not change the angle of the bracket.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 77&79F250
How you got from your tail lights to the t case, rolling around on the creeper eye balling along the way I bet, good catch for sure.

If a JY one can't be sourced, remove it take it to a professional welding shop, unless you have the welding equip and skills to do yourself? I would weld in on the outside only so the back side is still flat to not change the angle of the bracket.
I was mostly up by the tcase looking for a spot to add grounds between the cab bed and frame (I read in a few various posts that this could help with ground issues to rear lights).

I do have a 220v arc welder for the job of putting it back together. Ideally somebody will be able to point me to some sort of replacement bracket (unlikely).

Thanks for your input 77&79, any information/opinions are valuable to me!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 12:39 PM
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Hoo, Boy! That's a nasty little bugger. Do a lot of off roading, do you? Good thing for you it's a clean break....

I would grind an angle...maybe 30 degrees.....on all four pieces then fillet (multiple passes) weld it.

Clamp it as best you can. First, a root pass on both sides. Then fill in both sides with weld material. If you're using the 7018 rod (stick), chipping and grinding between passes is advised. If you're using a mig with gas, use no less than 0.030" solid wire.

You can grind down the welds later. The interior weld can be ground down flat if you have good penetration - hence the angle on all four sides.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 12:43 PM
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A few extra good grounds are our best friend. Good read here X2.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post1812190

Turn and Stop Lamp Diagnosis for 70's Ford Pickup - Ford-Trucks.com

I have 2 parts 78/79 Bronco that might still have one...I just have to bust some weeds and probably get Jake the snake out from under there to go ck.

I am sure ND, mike o0o0o0 might source a NOS location on one or some other FTE member might have one on a parts truck that is more readily available than mine. At least you found poly replacements. Also remember to ck the bottom of the trans cross member mount also.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 12:46 PM
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Hoo, Boy! That's a nasty little bugger. Do a lot of off roading, do you? Good thing for you it's a clean break....
This is actually my work/tow rig for my jeep.



I don't know its history other than it was used as a farm rig/fire wood hauler by the PO (only has this truck about 2 years and only been driving it about 8 months). So its likely been broken the whole time I've owned it.

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I would grind an angle...maybe 30 degrees.....on all four pieces then fillet (multiple passes) weld it.

Clamp it as best you can. First, a root pass on both sides. Then fill in both sides with weld material. If you're using the 7018 rod (stick), chipping and grinding between passes is advised. If you're using a mig with gas, use no less than 0.030" solid wire.

You can grind down the welds later. The interior weld can be ground down flat if you have good penetration - hence the angle on all four sides.
That's definitely great advice for welding this up if that's what I end up needing to do if I cannot source a bracket in one piece. Thank you.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 77&79F250
A few extra good grounds are our best friend. Good read here X2.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ml#post1812190

Turn and Stop Lamp Diagnosis for 70's Ford Pickup - Ford-Trucks.com

I have 2 parts 78/79 Bronco that might still have one...I just have to bust some weeds and probably get Jake the snake out from under there to go ck.

I am sure ND, mike o0o0o0 might source a NOS location on one or some other FTE member might have one on a parts truck that is more readily available than mine. At least you found poly replacements. Also remember to ck the bottom of the trans cross member mount also.
Those are some of the sources I found as far as adding in the extra grounds.

I'm hoping numberdummy or mike can chime in with a nos part somewhere too. Or another FTE member with one that's in one piece would be awesome too. I'm not opposed to welding, but I do prefer things to be in more original condition.
Thanks again!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by krazyness
Ideally somebody will be able to point me to some sort of replacement bracket (unlikely).
No, likely . I'm making a couple of assumptions here, you didn't describe your truck so I'm going on whats listed in your profile.
Bracket, transfer case steady rest.
75-up F100-150 w/ part time 4WD
D3TZ-7B051-B
Used with New Process transfer case

Green Sales, Cincinnati, OH has 3 (800) 543-4959
Bob Allen Ford , Overland Park, KS also has 2 but you'd be better off welding the old one back together than trying to deal with them.


EDIT:!! WRONG P/N!! BRB!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
No, likely . I'm making a couple of assumptions here, you didn't describe your truck so I'm going on whats listed in your profile.
Bracket, transfer case steady rest.
75-up F100-150 w/ part time 4WD
D3TZ-7B051-B
Used with New Process transfer case

Green Sales, Cincinnati, OH has 3 (800) 543-4959
Bob Allen Ford , Overland Park, KS also has 2 but you'd be better off welding the old one back together than trying to deal with them.
Always a life saver! I'll give Green Sales a call, and as long as they don't want an arm and a leg for one I'll scoop that up.

You are correct and my apologies for not listing my vehicle in the op. I'll edit it into the post and leave it here.

76 f150 with 360 np435 and NP 205.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by krazyness
Always a life saver! I'll give Green Sales a call, and as long as they don't want an arm and a leg for one I'll scoop that up.

You are correct and my apologies for not listing my vehicle in the op. I'll edit it into the post and leave it here.

76 f150 with 360 np435 and NP 205.

DON'T ORDER YET! WRONG P/N!!
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:21 PM
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$28 dollars plus shipping from green sales. Thanks again mike!! Get that replaced and motor/trans mounts replaced and clutch done all at the same time once I receive that.
 
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
DON'T ORDER YET! WRONG P/N!!
Uh oh.... Guess I'm calling them back.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:28 PM
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Sorry about that.
The illustration was off a little. It shows basic p/n 7B051 OR 7A444 as the bracket I didn't catch the 7A444. It also shows 7B051 as the basic p/n for the bracket that bolts to the transfer case, that's what this P/N is for. That's the bracket that bolts to the transfer case, not the frame.
The P/N you need is actually D3TZ-7A444-B. That bracket bolts to the frame.
Unfortunately, no dealer or obsolete supplier shows having any.
Again, sorry for posting the wrong number.
 
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Old Sep 19, 2016 | 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by mikeo0o0o0
Sorry about that.
The illustration was off a little. It shows basic p/n 7B051 OR 7A444 as the bracket I didn't catch the 7A444. It also shows 7B051 as the basic p/n for the bracket that bolts to the transfer case, that's what this P/N is for. That's the bracket that bolts to the transfer case, not the frame.
The P/N you need is actually D3TZ-7A444-B. That bracket bolts to the frame.
Unfortunately, no dealer or obsolete supplier shows having any.
Again, sorry for posting the wrong number.
That's absolutely OK. Your help is always appreciated! Looks like I'll be welding it unless somebody has one laying around that they want to part with. At least you caught the mistake before it got shipped out!!! Thank you very much mike!
 
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