97 super duty 460 gas tranny changeover info
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97 super duty 460 gas tranny changeover info
Hi folks. Newbie here. Trying to find my way around, haha. Been reading what I can find on swapping over my E40D with a stick. 460 gas, long utility bed, 2 WD Dually. Had it overhaulled about a year and half ago, blew the front seal again last week. Fortunately helpers got it shut down fast, over to the side, I went out and pulled it back. I've just about had all the enjoyment I need from the automatic. Never did perform like I thought it should, couldn't even spin a tire in the sand, much less pull the truck up a decent hill to get to certain locations. I'm in the windmill business, and take the old gal maybe even places where it's not supposed to be, but dissapointment runs high with the tranny here.
Starting to find parts for a swap, pedal assembly, hydraulics, etc., but no trans yet. Drive shaft, if I can't find one, can have one redone by a local driveshaft shop. Still searching. Don't know if I will take 5 or 6 speed, whatever I can to shed some headaches, unless I'm in for more than I have already. 2 grand at a moments notice and undependable reliability on this thing is taking years off my life, and I can't afford that. lol
To get going, at the moment, will take it out, re-install the from seal, get as large as an oil cooler as I can fit in the front, and hope for the best to get 'er back on the road, if no damage from the heat has occurred. I know heat is a critical enemy, and that's when the seal went the other day. 100+ temps outside.
The brake on the end of the tranny now is optional for me. If I can't get another on a manual tranny I can drag my foot, or bail out. ha. Main thing is to get this thing more reliable, and substitute un-ending cost and trouble for more reliable service.
Thanks for reading my ramblings. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks!
Starting to find parts for a swap, pedal assembly, hydraulics, etc., but no trans yet. Drive shaft, if I can't find one, can have one redone by a local driveshaft shop. Still searching. Don't know if I will take 5 or 6 speed, whatever I can to shed some headaches, unless I'm in for more than I have already. 2 grand at a moments notice and undependable reliability on this thing is taking years off my life, and I can't afford that. lol
To get going, at the moment, will take it out, re-install the from seal, get as large as an oil cooler as I can fit in the front, and hope for the best to get 'er back on the road, if no damage from the heat has occurred. I know heat is a critical enemy, and that's when the seal went the other day. 100+ temps outside.
The brake on the end of the tranny now is optional for me. If I can't get another on a manual tranny I can drag my foot, or bail out. ha. Main thing is to get this thing more reliable, and substitute un-ending cost and trouble for more reliable service.
Thanks for reading my ramblings. Any help will be much appreciated. Thanks!
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So you have a superduty I guess since you said you have a brake on the trans. If you want to swap to a MT, you can get a zf5 speed from a four wheel drive truck with a 460, then your park brake will bolt to the back of that instead of a transfer case. You could also use a 2wd zf5, but then you would have no parking brake which sucks with a manual trans... NBD with an auto.
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Bashby, yes I have learned that here. Will try for that, depending on parts available here. Today the E40d going back in with a new seal, and fingers crossed no other damage was done. If it goes fine, then I will have more time to gather changeover parts.
Diesel Brad, never thought about an ECM for a manual. Will stew on that one too.
Thanks!
Diesel Brad, never thought about an ECM for a manual. Will stew on that one too.
Thanks!
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I would not put another cooler in series with the factory radiator cooler and external air cooler. replace the smaller air cooler.
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Each time you add a cooler it adds more restriction, not a good idea. The system is designed to run with the radiator cooler and most have the factory air to oil cooler. Remove that one then replace it with the bigger cooler you purchased.
Perhaps Mark Kovalsky will chime in and agree or disagree with my statement.
A comment from another thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ll-advise.html
Perhaps Mark Kovalsky will chime in and agree or disagree with my statement.
A comment from another thread: https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...ll-advise.html
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Okay, got it. First, I don't have the internal cooler in the radiator, the trans fluid goes to an external small cooler in front of the rad. I will more than likely replace it with the larger cooler, allowing just one, not two. Don't really wish to create more headaches than I already have.
On the ECM, I had read somewhere that after a changeover, it still works ok. however I will keep an open opinion on it after the changeover. Still waiting on the new seal from Slowreillys. I could have been there three times already this morning if knew the delivery was going to be this late. Whew.
On the ECM, I had read somewhere that after a changeover, it still works ok. however I will keep an open opinion on it after the changeover. Still waiting on the new seal from Slowreillys. I could have been there three times already this morning if knew the delivery was going to be this late. Whew.
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As long as I've had it, there's never been cooling lines to the radiator, just to the separate cooler in front of the condenser. Does not look like a shade tree job, looks original to me. I would guess at this point, factory figured a separate cooler was better in front of condenser instead of in the radiator. Just a guess. No matter at this point, after test drive, if I'm lucky enough to have all the gears proper, the larger cooler will go on anyway. Then it's on to gathering parts for the change over, and hope this thing lasts until surgery.
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It's not factory, and that's why you keep overheating your transmission. The in-radiator transmission cooler removes the majority of heat from the transmission fluid. The aux cooler in front helps bring the temperature down further. If you don't have the radiator transmission cooler functioning, your transmission is guaranteed to overheat in low-speed, high-load situations - such as crawling around off road. More than likely either the in-radiator cooler failed and it was bypassed, or someone thought they could "improve" the cooling by bypassing the radiator cooler.
If you don't want to fix it correctly by putting the radiator cooler back in the loop, at the minimum you should get a small electric fan to put on the transmission cooler.
If you don't want to fix it correctly by putting the radiator cooler back in the loop, at the minimum you should get a small electric fan to put on the transmission cooler.
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Correct. if you leave the MLPS in neutral then the engine will run ok. BUT then no reverse lights