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They weren’t that cheap, and that can’t be real. As Mark was doing his searches I did some of my own to help. These bearings are emense and were used on airplanes, mining equipment, and similar industrial applications. Way over spec’d for a truck application. Knowing that the FAA would put severe wear limitations on them, finding good used ones was an angle we chatted about looking into. Glad it wasn’t necessary. Stu
 
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Hey, that is great news! Glad you found them. Did you have to learn Chinese to buy them?
a round of Tsingtao's to celebrate!
 
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They werenít that cheap, and that canít be real. As Mark was doing his searches I did some of my own to help. These bearings are emense and were used on airplanes, mining equipment, and similar industrial applications. Way over specíd for a truck application. Knowing that the FAA would put severe wear limitations on them, finding good used ones was an angle we chatted about looking into. Glad it wasnít necessary. Stu
Right. The place where I get my bearings had them for https://www.123bearing.com/bearing-7...875-TIMKEN.php
 
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As Stu mentioned it has been an interesting journey. One I will be interested in sharing at a later date. I am currently emailing China, it's Wed. morning as of this typing. It dawned on me that I might want to grab a couple more if I can. It has taken just over 30 days to receive one bearing from the first request email to it being delivered. Once the money is wired the worry sets in. If I was flush with cash it wouldn't matter but I don't have enough cash laying around to just be handing it over it Hong Kong. What really surprised me was the email translation. I type in English and the sales rep reads in whatever they read. Then the reply is translated back into English. Go figure. At the least I have 2 new and 2 good used bearing and races. The axle seals came in today. Victor seals came out and cross referenced to Timken seals. Oddly enough Timken made the seals that Victor marketed, and I was thinking today that I should figure out why the t-case won't shift before I spend any more money on bearings. Hopefully it's just a stuck detent ball. Shouldn't be that big of a deal to drop and split the t-case, it's only ginormous!

Anyway, thanks for the kind words. It's been a slow stress filled process so please bear with me as I take a victory lap with my Timken bearings from China and Singapore. As Stu told me once..........................All ya gotta do is...........................








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As Stu told me once..........................All ya gotta do is...........................
There’s always the guy in your group that drops by your shop after work on a Friday night, standing around your truck with one of your beers in his hand assessing the situation. “Well (darn) man, all ya gotta do is go buy those bearings”. It’s simple! Stu
 
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I have decided to throw caution to the wind and order two more sets. They said they have them in stock in their warehouse. I will wire the money on Monday and see what happens. Hopefully this time will be stress free. Or at least less stress.Still need to source front brake cylinders. From a quick Google search they seem plentiful. Anyone have good luck with F4 front brake cylinders?
 
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Assuming Coleman used stock Ford, the number is 8T 2061. They are 1 1/4” ID. Same on all F-4/5/6. Same cylinder both sides. Chuck should have them, and should know if Coleman did anything creative in their sourcing of the brake components. Stu
 
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Not sure if you use the same brake cylinders as my '50 F4 or special 4WD parts, but I bought mine off amazon. Same supplier as Rockauto.
 
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Progress

So today I wired more money for two more Timken cups and cones. Also went to the local bearing place and picked up the new axle seals. Victor 60643 came out and cross referenced to Timken 450070. I will be adding brand and part numbers as I go just in case someone in the future finds this thread and is attempting a Coleman axle rebuild.
 
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Got the shoes off the spindle. What a pita. I believe the shoes to be a Coleman piece. Part number c-4376. The spindle has a part number c-4647. The brake cylinder is a Wagner Lockheed fd-613 with a 1 3/8 bore.
 
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Good work!
maybe you need this 51 53? GMC COE Coleman chassis for possible parts??
I'm not smart enough to just leave things alone and had to go and save this from the scrap yard and going to China.
Now im probably going to have to chop up the frame and save all the Coleman specific parts. This thing is huge. .






 
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Thanks Josh, I was wondering if you still had that beast. I would love to know how many parts our truck share but it would be no easy task for you to disassemble yours to find out. I wish someone had a master parts listing that showed all the different "models". When I think of all the different Coleman conversions, trucks, tractors, and the tugs, small medium and large configurations I wonder how many different bearings, spindles etc. that may have been used in the different kits. Maybe ours are twins with different domes? Who knows.

If you get a chance look at your t-case and see what model # it is please.
 
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More progress. Found a company in Minneapolis MN. that will reline the Coleman shoes. They can sleeve the original Wagner made in USA brake cylinder but it's more than twice the cost of a new made in some other country replacement. Thinking about going with the sleeve and keeping the USA part. Anyone have an opinion on a sleeve vs. a new foreign replacement? And the company in MN. is called Brake & Equipment Warehouse. They have a neat video on YouTube but I don't have a clue on how to post a link. And no tracking # for the overseas bearings yet..........the worry is creeping in!
 
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What is the sleeve material? I have seen both stainless steel and brass used to sleeve brake cylinders, with brass I think being more common. If the sleeve material is either of these I think the part will outlast the truck and only soft parts will have to be replaced in the future. In this case I would prefer sleeved.

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Thanks for the input Nelson. I guess I didn't ask yesterday when I talked to the guy in the shop. From watching the video on YouTube it appears to be something other than brass. I'm really leaning towards sleeve just because of the American made cylinder and the American refurbishment. Plus keeping the part numbers as close to how I received the truck.
 

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