Towing Vehicle On Bed Laws
#16
01-26-2017, 03:15 PM
#18
01-26-2017, 03:37 PM
eCFR ? Code of Federal Regulations
383.5
(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—having a gross vehicle weight rating or gross vehicle weight of 11,794 or more kilograms (26,001 pounds or more), whichever is greater;
383.91 defines:
§383.91 Commercial motor vehicle groups.
(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:
(1) Combination vehicle (Group A)—Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).
(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) GVWR.
(3) Small Vehicle (Group C)—Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that meets neither the definition of Group A nor that of Group B as contained in this section, but that either is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in §
(a) Vehicle group descriptions. Each driver applicant must possess and be tested on his/her knowledge and skills, described in subpart G of this part, for the commercial motor vehicle group(s) for which he/she desires a CDL. The commercial motor vehicle groups are as follows:
(1) Combination vehicle (Group A)—Any combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more) provided the GVWR of the vehicle(s) being towed is in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds).
(2) Heavy Straight Vehicle (Group B)—Any single vehicle with a GVWR of 11,794 kilograms or more (26,001 pounds or more), or any such vehicle towing a vehicle not in excess of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) GVWR.
(3) Small Vehicle (Group C)—Any single vehicle, or combination of vehicles, that meets neither the definition of Group A nor that of Group B as contained in this section, but that either is designed to transport 16 or more passengers including the driver, or is used in the transportation of hazardous materials as defined in §
You can have a vehicle rated for 25,000 pounds with air brakes. Also, you can have a truck with hydraulic brakes rated for 33,000 pounds.
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I think we are saying the same thing in two different ways. The B test tests you on air brakes, if you don't pass or don't have a truck with airbrakes, you get a "L" restriction,
Restriction code
Description
L
If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license.
Restriction code
Description
L
If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license.
#20
01-26-2017, 04:09 PM
I think we are saying the same thing in two different ways. The B test tests you on air brakes, if you don't pass or don't have a truck with airbrakes, you get a "L" restriction,
Restriction code
Description
L
If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license.
Restriction code
Description
L
If the driver does not pass the Air Brakes Knowledge Test, does not correctly identify the air brake system components, does not properly conduct an air brake systems check, or does not take the Skills test in a vehicle with a full air brake system, the driver must have an "L" no full air brake restriction placed on their license.
If the ratings are greater than 26,000 pounds and air brakes are involved then, yes, you need to pass that element of the test, both written and skills demonstration.
As I've explained before, if I'm driving my F250 pickup, hydraulic brakes with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds, pulling tandem axle dual tired trailer rated for 20,000 I need a class A CDL the combination being 30,000 pounds, then I need a class A CDL.
If I take my driving test with that setup, I'll have an automatic transmission restriction along with a no air brake restriction.
I go and test with air brakes and manual transmission, no problem.
No, I hop in a truck with a GVWR of 25,000 I can drive with a regular license. The truck has air brakes, I can still drive with a regular license.
#21
02-08-2017, 01:20 PM
So I might get flamed for asking or even considering this but I cannot find any info on the subject.
I have an 82 F350 all steel flatbed that is well kept and is definitely capable of hauling. I am a skilled welder and am considering on making "ramps" for lack of a better term that are attached/fixed to the rear end of the flatbed making it more or less a mini ramp truck. I'd rather not buy a trailer for storage reasons.
What are the laws DOT related concerning myself, a regular citizen, hauling a 1.5 ton car on the bed of a truck with no CDL or licence for personal transport?
Thanks!
I have an 82 F350 all steel flatbed that is well kept and is definitely capable of hauling. I am a skilled welder and am considering on making "ramps" for lack of a better term that are attached/fixed to the rear end of the flatbed making it more or less a mini ramp truck. I'd rather not buy a trailer for storage reasons.
What are the laws DOT related concerning myself, a regular citizen, hauling a 1.5 ton car on the bed of a truck with no CDL or licence for personal transport?
Thanks!
As I am in Illinois I do not want to assume other states are the same but I believe they are.
First he said personal transport. No CDL (Commercial Drivers License) required. I have a friend who was a truck driver. He is now retired but pulls Jeeps to go off-roading. Standard drivers license did not cover the weight of his toys and trailer. He currently has a class A NON CDL license. Which means he can pull the weight of a semi he just can't get paid for it.
Second trailers shouldn't be an issue for his question anyway. If you scale weight you truck with your payload it should not exceed the weight class of your license. Also that weight should not exceed the sticker on the door stating your GVWR. GVWR is truck and payload.
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