No 2017 Specs - confusing
#16
I dislike political discussion and I detest politicians.
That said, I understand many folks' feelings regarding the auto bailouts. Let's leave those discussions for Club FTE though.
Now....where in the heck are the 2017 order guides???
I'm in a tough spot on this one too. I'd love to have a 2017 F-350 but I'm really leery of first year runs of anything anymore. My 2011 caused me a lot of grief and while I miss it, I don't miss the issues it had. It's a good time to buy a 2015 or 2016 and there are a lot of them out there I like. Decisions, decisions.....
That said, I understand many folks' feelings regarding the auto bailouts. Let's leave those discussions for Club FTE though.
Now....where in the heck are the 2017 order guides???
I'm in a tough spot on this one too. I'd love to have a 2017 F-350 but I'm really leery of first year runs of anything anymore. My 2011 caused me a lot of grief and while I miss it, I don't miss the issues it had. It's a good time to buy a 2015 or 2016 and there are a lot of them out there I like. Decisions, decisions.....
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I'm seriously in the market for a new truck--I'll buy one before the new year, and Ford's coyness is tiresome. I prefer Ford but I'm no fanboy and when the time comes I'll buy GM if it's to my advantage. Given the current choice between a known Ford, an improved and quite capable GM and a Ford with mystery specs I'm in a bit of a quandary.
I also fear the new Ford will be taller than the old one and the damned things are already too tall.
I also fear the new Ford will be taller than the old one and the damned things are already too tall.
#23
Not so sure why this is such a mystery. The truck will be a tad and only a tad lighter than the outgoing 2016 model steel truck with the same drive trains that have received some tweaking. Oh, the 250 gets a more user friendly transmission.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
#24
Not so sure why this is such a mystery. The truck will be a tad and only a tad lighter than the outgoing 2016 model steel truck with the same drive trains that have received some tweaking. Oh, the 250 gets a more user friendly transmission.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
#25
At this point in the process the numbers are what they are, I am sure Dodge and GM are interested as well, but it's not like they can make a significant changes to their designs at this stage either. Sure they can make a few tweaks here and there and maybe fudge a number or two to post a miniscule bump in numbers but nothing of any significance.
I guess I am in the minority because I don't care about the advertisement propaganda stating which trucks have a couple extra theoretical HP or FtLbs of torque, the real evaluations will be when the trucks are out and people can give real world results. Look at the Rams, according to the ads they should be the best towing trucks out there, but in real life they just don't get the job done.
Even if they didn't post the HP, torque, tow/haul numbers, you would think that they would be posting info on configurations (i.e. transmissions, interiors, colors, options, reliability improvements, etc) trying to get people lathered up and ready to order as soon as possible.
I understand the sales hype and all advertisement crap, but if they designed and build the best truck they can within the constraints they were given they should be proud of their product and be bragging about what they have to offer not waiting to the last minute to add a hood emblem of something to one-up the completion.
"Build the best you can and dare the completion to try to beat you."
Philosophical rant over.
I guess I am in the minority because I don't care about the advertisement propaganda stating which trucks have a couple extra theoretical HP or FtLbs of torque, the real evaluations will be when the trucks are out and people can give real world results. Look at the Rams, according to the ads they should be the best towing trucks out there, but in real life they just don't get the job done.
Even if they didn't post the HP, torque, tow/haul numbers, you would think that they would be posting info on configurations (i.e. transmissions, interiors, colors, options, reliability improvements, etc) trying to get people lathered up and ready to order as soon as possible.
I understand the sales hype and all advertisement crap, but if they designed and build the best truck they can within the constraints they were given they should be proud of their product and be bragging about what they have to offer not waiting to the last minute to add a hood emblem of something to one-up the completion.
"Build the best you can and dare the completion to try to beat you."
Philosophical rant over.
As an old retired trucker, I have driven big trucks (18 wheelers) that did not have the gonads these new diesel pickups have! Of course, I understand there are those people that will NEVER have enough power, and to the immature, the power numbers are what make sales
#26
Not so sure why this is such a mystery. The truck will be a tad and only a tad lighter than the outgoing 2016 model steel truck with the same drive trains that have received some tweaking. Oh, the 250 gets a more user friendly transmission.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
The specs won't be any lower than they are now and quite frankly, the superduty line of current is an impressive beast.
#27
Around here (St. Augustine Florida) I can't even find a new Chevy or GMC dually on the lot but a couple of local Ford dealers have several duallies. Going by website prices a Ford dealer in Ocala is coming down around 10K on high zoot duallies (Lariats and Platinums) and the dealer here in St. Augustine about 8K. But they don't appear to be selling, I've been watching.
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