Long Cranking Issue
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Long Cranking Issue
I know this topic has been discussed before but instead of sifting though all of the online forums trying to find a situation similar to the one I have I am just going to post a new thread with my info and see if I can get some help here.
2007 F250 6.0, Studded, Deleted, Injectors replaced ~8,000 miles ago, Blue spring, Probably a few there things I can't think of off the top of my head.
Recently I started noticing that I was having to crank the truck longer than normal to start it. Thaited is has never been an issue before. When I swapped out the injectors I replaced the standpipes and plugs with Ford parts. I tested my ICP before doing any work and it was running really low before cranking. I assumed the normal issues, possible standpipe O-ring or nipple O rings on the oil rails. So I went ahead and replaced all of this stuff. Checked what was already in there and didn't find much to be concerned about. I also inspected the injector O-rings but they all looked to be in good shape. Got it back together today got it fired up and running. Shut it off, waited a minute, fired it up. Still a little longer than I remember but not terrible. Shut down and waited an hour or so. Went to fire it up and had to crank forever again. I put my computer on it to check some things and this is what I got.
While running Idle:
ICP steady around 595psi.
Desired Pressure 593
IPR 21.5% ( stays around 20-23% no matter throttle position.
Shut it off and watched.
ICP almost immediately below 200psi and within a few seconds drops to about 90psi then holds there a drops very slowly until it hits zero after about 10 minutes or so.
Starting back up
ICP Sits a zero or near it for a few seconds then slowly starts to build pressure until about 15 seconds or so of cranking fires it up.
IPR was at 84% during cranking.
I did run a KOER test using AutoEnginuity and it came back with a P2290 pressure too low code. This doesn't show up anywhere except when it run the test. I don't know what my pressures should be normally but it seems around 600psi should be OK from most things I have read. Except during cranking it seems to stay about 590 or more. I am not sure what to look at next and hope that one of you guys can point me in the right direction. If you need more info just ask and I will get you what I can.
2007 F250 6.0, Studded, Deleted, Injectors replaced ~8,000 miles ago, Blue spring, Probably a few there things I can't think of off the top of my head.
Recently I started noticing that I was having to crank the truck longer than normal to start it. Thaited is has never been an issue before. When I swapped out the injectors I replaced the standpipes and plugs with Ford parts. I tested my ICP before doing any work and it was running really low before cranking. I assumed the normal issues, possible standpipe O-ring or nipple O rings on the oil rails. So I went ahead and replaced all of this stuff. Checked what was already in there and didn't find much to be concerned about. I also inspected the injector O-rings but they all looked to be in good shape. Got it back together today got it fired up and running. Shut it off, waited a minute, fired it up. Still a little longer than I remember but not terrible. Shut down and waited an hour or so. Went to fire it up and had to crank forever again. I put my computer on it to check some things and this is what I got.
While running Idle:
ICP steady around 595psi.
Desired Pressure 593
IPR 21.5% ( stays around 20-23% no matter throttle position.
Shut it off and watched.
ICP almost immediately below 200psi and within a few seconds drops to about 90psi then holds there a drops very slowly until it hits zero after about 10 minutes or so.
Starting back up
ICP Sits a zero or near it for a few seconds then slowly starts to build pressure until about 15 seconds or so of cranking fires it up.
IPR was at 84% during cranking.
I did run a KOER test using AutoEnginuity and it came back with a P2290 pressure too low code. This doesn't show up anywhere except when it run the test. I don't know what my pressures should be normally but it seems around 600psi should be OK from most things I have read. Except during cranking it seems to stay about 590 or more. I am not sure what to look at next and hope that one of you guys can point me in the right direction. If you need more info just ask and I will get you what I can.
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I have a tool to pressurize through the ICP port... I don't know if that is helpful. I did do that just a few minutes ago. I can hear air leaking somewhere. If that is similar to what you are referring to, how can I tell where it is leaking. I assume I will have to pull my valve covers..... again. This thing wears me out. HA!
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Sorry I have been out of town for a few days. I am now back working on the truck. I went through a procedure I found online to test of leaks. This would be using the ICP port and it seems that most people use this when testing. So I connect air, I can hear the air going somewhere. I cycle the IPR on with my scan tool and then I hear nothing. I have checked around using a stethoscope and I do not detect anything anywhere. My next test I am planning to do while waiting for some advice is to put a valve on my air line and a pressure gauge and watch to see if the pressure holds and for how long. At least long enough to see if it stays or starts to drop. I don't want to damage something on the IPR by leaving it powered on for too long. At any rate, when I was testing on my scan tool the other day, it would take a long time to build pressure but it would eventually get enough to start. between 10 and 20 seconds of cranking. It runs fine. Pressure runs in the area I have been told is normal. As soon as you turn the engine off the scan tool shows the pressure drop down to around 100psi almost immediately. I have been told this is not normal. But I am not 100% sure what I am supposed to be looking for. Thanks!
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Dan, I did not. I last worked on the truck I think three years ago. I have had no issues since then. But this was not something I was aware was a potential problem when I had it torn down. I knew issues with the HPOP could happen, but since I had never had a problem in that area I didn't look into it. I assume that could be an issue now but I am not sure how to diagnose that other than to actually remove it. I am trying not to take the whole thing apart until I know for sure the only think left is to pull it out.
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I recently replaced my standpipes, and I don't even think they were the issue. My injectors are pretty new so I also doubt those lso replaced my nipple cup seals while replacing the standpipe seals recently just to make sure everything was covered. I do not currently detect any leaks under the valve covers. I have even removed them just to make sure I can check everything close. I have a feeling it may be the STC fitting I have been reading about but I hate to tear in that deep until I have a better feeling that is what it is.
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I recently replaced my standpipes, and I don't even think they were the issue. My injectors are pretty new so I also doubt those lso replaced my nipple cup seals while replacing the standpipe seals recently just to make sure everything was covered. I do not currently detect any leaks under the valve covers. I have even removed them just to make sure I can check everything close. I have a feeling it may be the STC fitting I have been reading about but I hate to tear in that deep until I have a better feeling that is what it is.
Best of luck - you have all the right eyes on your thread...
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#15
P2290 is a running code, so it isn't just startup/cranking.
Totally agree with the above that the STC fitting can leak a little or a lot, although typically it tends to be a larger leak.
Also could be the "pesky" standpipes. Seems like a lot of times the o-rings get torn up on installation.
Totally agree with the above that the STC fitting can leak a little or a lot, although typically it tends to be a larger leak.
Also could be the "pesky" standpipes. Seems like a lot of times the o-rings get torn up on installation.