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Old 01-22-2016, 03:37 PM
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'72 390 FE no spark from cap to plugs or low spark

Can anyone help me with this?

I recently replaced my points and condenser with a Crane Cams XR-i conversion kit. I also replaced the plugs, wires, coil, cap & rotor. Initialy I got everything in and cranked her up and she ran, I didnt adjust the timing with a light but got her to idle pretty smooth. I took her for a test run around the block and she had a little more jump and shifted a little tighter (3 speed auto). I got her home and turned her off and then tried to turn her on again and thats when she wouldnt crank over. I checked for spark to #1 from the cap, no spark, I checked for spark from the coil to cap and got it to spark but intermittently. I called Crane and they said if I have spark at the coil then the module is working.

Can anyone help me out with this? Was hoping to go shooting and need my truck to haul the targets
 
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"...she wouldn't crank over?"


Or do you mean it cranked over/turned over and the starter worked...but it refused to light up?


Big difference here
 
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Yes, you're right, sorry. The starter is cranking but she doesnt turn over. It gives a cough like it wants to but ultimately just cranks.
 
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Install a jumper wire from B+ to the coil+ and try starting it. It could be the power to the coil. (Fuse?)
Check all your new connections.

I would then focus on that conversion kit.
Make sure there is battery power to it. If it has a fuse check it first.


Considering it WAS running it's got to be simple unless the Crane unit failed which is a possibility.


Most electronics fail immediately if they do. It's called "Infant Mortality".
 
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Thanks, I will try that, I have read online of others doing that with the pertronixs and accels. Do i still connect the wire that I assume is coming from my ignition (maybe the resistor wire?
 
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I added a pic I took

, the wire in question is the red one and it comes from my firewall
 
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So the spark you say from the coil is intermittent? Should be nice bright blue, at least 1/2" If it's intermittent, there's your problem.

Put the points back in for giggles?
 
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So the spark you say from the coil is intermittent? Should be nice bright blue, at least 1/2" If it's intermittent, there's your problem.

Put the points back in for giggles?
I used a inline spark tester, it should show rapid blinking correct? When I first did it I did it old school with the phillips, the spark was bluish but i dont recall the length exactly. I was doing it on a painted valve case too so i am sure that didnt help.
 
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Originally Posted by wrhinehart
Install a jumper wire from B+ to the coil+ and try starting it. It could be the power to the coil. (Fuse?)
Check all your new connections.

I would then focus on that conversion kit.
Make sure there is battery power to it. If it has a fuse check it first.


Considering it WAS running it's got to be simple unless the Crane unit failed which is a possibility.


Most electronics fail immediately if they do. It's called "Infant Mortality".
what gauge wire do you recommend for the jumper?
 
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14-16 wire ga will be find. You can leave all the wiring on the coil when adding a hot wire from B+ to coil+ turn key to start if it startup & runs you'll have to remove the Hot wire to kill the motor tho.
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14-16 wire ga will be find. You can leave all the wiring on the coil when adding a hot wire from B+ to coil+ turn key to start if it startup & runs you'll have to remove the Hot wire to kill the motor tho.
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Ok, I got some 12 ga wire, I tried last night but I removed the red wire coming from the firewall. I will try again with everything in place. Thanks for the heads up about disconnecting, I had both ends cranked down, that would have been fun to disconnect. I do also have a kill switch, have a parasitic draw that I plan to tackle next. Can I use the kill switch to turn her off?
 
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Is a Resistor wire suppose to be used with the crane dizzy kit? Or a straight 12-14volts can be used. Some units can't handle over much over 12 volts and can be damaged.

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You have a KILL SWITCH hooked up? WTF?

Remove it.

Make sure you have a good connection from B+ to the positive side of the coil.

All you need to kill the engine when it's running using a jumper is to simply cut the wire.
 
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Originally Posted by wrhinehart
You have a KILL SWITCH hooked up? WTF?

Remove it.

Make sure you have a good connection from B+ to the positive side of the coil.

All you need to kill the engine when it's running using a jumper is to simply cut the wire.
I have a draw that drains the battery overnight, for now I have to use it. Ok cut the wire
 
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Originally Posted by orich
Is a Resistor wire suppose to be used with the crane dizzy kit? Or a straight 12-14volts can be used. Some units can't handle over much over 12 volts and can be damaged.

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The instructions call for the resistance wire to be reapplied. I tested it last night and got 9.5V, so I am going to assume this red wire is my resistance wire, everyone has told me it will be a pink wire but maybe the previous owner changed it trying to solve the parasitic draw problem. When I bought her, he told me he disconnected the neg battery cable at night. After a couple of times of forgeting, I decided to install the kill switch. So do you think I should still do the jumper? I already tried last night but I did it without the resistance (red) wire. I am going to check my coil again to make sure it has spark which, according to Crane, indicates my module is working.
 


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