ford 6.4L 6.4 oil opinion on a noisey ticking engine.
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ford 6.4L 6.4 oil opinion on a noisey ticking engine.
so a few notes on my recently accuired 2010 64L f-450 with 85K miles. This truck has a 5th wheel or goose neck mount in the bed....not sure which becuse the actual hitch is not in anymore......so I'm thinking the truck was run hard and not pampered.....which might be a factor on my oil experience.
so I change all the fluids as I usally do on a new to me truck. shocks were bad so I changed those too.
I put 5W40 mobil 1 turbo deisel oil in at first. ran it for a few hundred miles and the engine basically sounded like you were shaking a tool box. the noise detail was amazing to the point where i could pick out the sounds of lifters, rockers, cam slaps and the oil/cam whip. it just didnt sound right to me.
so good bye to the 5W40 and I tried sync blend 15W40. big improvement, less engine noises when hot, but when cold...it sounded a lot like the 5W40. I read a few threads about folks who had engine noises being told by the dealerships to use 10W30 instead and since it is an oil option for the 6.4L, decided to give that a try. actually drove the truck about 500 miles to get a sense of how the 15W40 would be. here in NYC, the temps are between 25 and 35 at night and the am and sometimes 40's mid day.
so good bye to the 15W40 and in goes the 10W30. the 10W30 was quieter right from the start even with the engine being cold. so my concern that my engine was a worn out box of nuts and bolts were dismissed. driving with the 10W30 the engine was smooth and no distraction noises at all. not sure I would use 10W30 for towing though....so may have to bounce back and fourth between 10W30 and 15W40 depending on the time of year.
I was reluctant to tyr the 10w30 in spite of reading that it had quieted down a lot of engines....but decided to bite the bullet and see what I can learn.
Im a long time fan of pure syn, but lately have been wondering if a blend would have some benifets......when you understand how sync works...you got to wonder what happens as the curling atoms wear out and basically leave you with the base oil weight.
so if anyone has an engine with noises that bothers them.....yes 10W30 blend...will quiet it down.
so I change all the fluids as I usally do on a new to me truck. shocks were bad so I changed those too.
I put 5W40 mobil 1 turbo deisel oil in at first. ran it for a few hundred miles and the engine basically sounded like you were shaking a tool box. the noise detail was amazing to the point where i could pick out the sounds of lifters, rockers, cam slaps and the oil/cam whip. it just didnt sound right to me.
so good bye to the 5W40 and I tried sync blend 15W40. big improvement, less engine noises when hot, but when cold...it sounded a lot like the 5W40. I read a few threads about folks who had engine noises being told by the dealerships to use 10W30 instead and since it is an oil option for the 6.4L, decided to give that a try. actually drove the truck about 500 miles to get a sense of how the 15W40 would be. here in NYC, the temps are between 25 and 35 at night and the am and sometimes 40's mid day.
so good bye to the 15W40 and in goes the 10W30. the 10W30 was quieter right from the start even with the engine being cold. so my concern that my engine was a worn out box of nuts and bolts were dismissed. driving with the 10W30 the engine was smooth and no distraction noises at all. not sure I would use 10W30 for towing though....so may have to bounce back and fourth between 10W30 and 15W40 depending on the time of year.
I was reluctant to tyr the 10w30 in spite of reading that it had quieted down a lot of engines....but decided to bite the bullet and see what I can learn.
Im a long time fan of pure syn, but lately have been wondering if a blend would have some benifets......when you understand how sync works...you got to wonder what happens as the curling atoms wear out and basically leave you with the base oil weight.
so if anyone has an engine with noises that bothers them.....yes 10W30 blend...will quiet it down.
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The question is when and where are you hearing the ticking? Different oils will change the tone of the motor very slightly. If its while driving I would ask what tuning you are running though.
I am not disagreeing on oil btw... The key is to find something that your truck likes (you need to back any claims up with a blackstone report btw or don't say it at all, google warriors will find it and take your word as though god said it...). Mine does well on Mobil 1 whereas its a clanky mess with the Motorcraft synthetic blend. But a lot of it has to do with tuning as well.
As an example, a tow tune is going to have very little to now low boost fuel added. This is going to change your injector noise even at idle. The change in cylinder pressure will change the valve train noise that you hear. My truck sounds COMPLETELY different when running a 70hp tow tune as opposed to a 215hp street tune. And by completely different I mean you would swear its a different truck. I can also hear the difference in noise between different fuel stations. My truck runs smoother when I fill up at Holliday by my house, the Shell station gives my truck a fuel knock. The Holliday also is a VERY high traffic diesel station. That means its always clean, dry, and fresh fuel.
A lot of guys running archoil notice the valve train quiets down a lot as well.
I am not disagreeing on oil btw... The key is to find something that your truck likes (you need to back any claims up with a blackstone report btw or don't say it at all, google warriors will find it and take your word as though god said it...). Mine does well on Mobil 1 whereas its a clanky mess with the Motorcraft synthetic blend. But a lot of it has to do with tuning as well.
As an example, a tow tune is going to have very little to now low boost fuel added. This is going to change your injector noise even at idle. The change in cylinder pressure will change the valve train noise that you hear. My truck sounds COMPLETELY different when running a 70hp tow tune as opposed to a 215hp street tune. And by completely different I mean you would swear its a different truck. I can also hear the difference in noise between different fuel stations. My truck runs smoother when I fill up at Holliday by my house, the Shell station gives my truck a fuel knock. The Holliday also is a VERY high traffic diesel station. That means its always clean, dry, and fresh fuel.
A lot of guys running archoil notice the valve train quiets down a lot as well.
#3
post a video. I have been wondering about this myself. I have been watching lots and lots of videos trying to hear the engine rhythm and noises. There is one particular tick i can single out. I found it to be in front top part of the engine. if you put a screw driver just behind the egr elbow (oil cooler? its a flat part) I can hear a very profound tick, same frequency as the valve train, like an empty lifter. Also, there is a thumping noise through the intake. I was told those are normal, and I can hear same sounds in the videos
Also, I am wondering if you would be a good candidate for an oil additive as Crazy said. Def post some before and after videos
Also, I am wondering if you would be a good candidate for an oil additive as Crazy said. Def post some before and after videos
#4
post a video. I have been wondering about this myself. I have been watching lots and lots of videos trying to hear the engine rhythm and noises. There is one particular tick i can single out. I found it to be in front top part of the engine. if you put a screw driver just behind the egr elbow (oil cooler? its a flat part) I can hear a very profound tick, same frequency as the valve train, like an empty lifter. Also, there is a thumping noise through the intake. I was told those are normal, and I can hear same sounds in the videos
Also, I am wondering if you would be a good candidate for an oil additive as Crazy said. Def post some before and after videos
Also, I am wondering if you would be a good candidate for an oil additive as Crazy said. Def post some before and after videos
I just changed my oil from Brad Penn 15W40 to 5W40 mobile one and really can't say I hear a difference in engine noise. I always plug in when it's cold but I would imagine she likes the 5W40 better in the winter. If I have my son start the truck directly after the oil change I can hear the rockers tick for just a few seconds until they get oil and after that, no more.
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Im running a stock truck with no "tune" manager.
bought the truck with 85K and do I think it might need rockers, rods, or lifters soon...probally. Im getting the sense that the worn parts are not building up oil pressure with thinner oil. truck sounds fine once fully warmed up and runs fine.
Had I know this engine had push rods, I would not have bought the truck.
bought the truck with 85K and do I think it might need rockers, rods, or lifters soon...probally. Im getting the sense that the worn parts are not building up oil pressure with thinner oil. truck sounds fine once fully warmed up and runs fine.
Had I know this engine had push rods, I would not have bought the truck.
#6
With a tick the same frequency as the valve train and a thump coming from the air cleaner I would say you have a good candidate for pulling the valve covers and looking for a bad rocker.
I just changed my oil from Brad Penn 15W40 to 5W40 mobile one and really can't say I hear a difference in engine noise. I always plug in when it's cold but I would imagine she likes the 5W40 better in the winter. If I have my son start the truck directly after the oil change I can hear the rockers tick for just a few seconds until they get oil and after that, no more.
I just changed my oil from Brad Penn 15W40 to 5W40 mobile one and really can't say I hear a difference in engine noise. I always plug in when it's cold but I would imagine she likes the 5W40 better in the winter. If I have my son start the truck directly after the oil change I can hear the rockers tick for just a few seconds until they get oil and after that, no more.
#7
Im running a stock truck with no "tune" manager.
bought the truck with 85K and do I think it might need rockers, rods, or lifters soon...probally. Im getting the sense that the worn parts are not building up oil pressure with thinner oil. truck sounds fine once fully warmed up and runs fine.
Had I know this engine had push rods, I would not have bought the truck.
bought the truck with 85K and do I think it might need rockers, rods, or lifters soon...probally. Im getting the sense that the worn parts are not building up oil pressure with thinner oil. truck sounds fine once fully warmed up and runs fine.
Had I know this engine had push rods, I would not have bought the truck.
Not sure how long you have had your truck but i figured id post this to make sure its not something normal. It could be something else but i have had a lot of people come to me with the normal noises a 6.4 makes.
TSB
09-16-2
6.4L DIESEL ENGINE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE
Publication Date: August 3, 2009
FORD: 2008-2010 F-Super Duty
This article supersedes TSB 08-19-5 to update the vehicle model years.
ISSUE:
Some 2008-2010 F-Super Duty 250-550 vehicles equipped with a 6.4L diesel engine may exhibit a random engine ticking / tapping noise that is most noticeable when engine coolant temperature is 185 °F (85 °C) or higher and from base idle to approximately 1500 RPM. Some customers may complain that this noise becomes more evident after 3000-5000 miles have accumulated on the vehicle or after an engine oil change.
ACTION:
Refer to the Service Procedure for repair recommendations.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
The ticking / tapping noise is most noticeable at the rear of the driver's side front wheel well. 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines exhibit this normal audible condition (some engines will exhibit greater audible noise due to engine build variations). 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines are manufactured to tight tolerances in order to meet strict durability and reliability standards.
This noise is caused by the relationship between engine block, crankshaft journals, bearing inserts and oil viscosity / film. This relationship allows a pulsation that resonates through the cylinder block and is heard as a metallic ticking noise. This condition is present on all diesel engines.
Technological improvements and overall noise reduction in today's diesel engines make this issue seem new when in fact it was masked by other noises on previous engines. Other engine manufacturers report similar conditions in their diesel engines. Vehicle testing and engine teardown analysis have confirmed this condition will not effect reliability or long term durability of this engine. Dealers should not attempt to perform vehicle to vehicle noise comparisons. This may lead to incorrect conclusions and ineffective repairs.
NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT REPAIRS FOR THIS NORMAL NOISE CONDITION. REPLACING THE ENGINE OR INTERNAL COMPONENTS WILL NOT REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE. PLEASE PROVIDE THIS BULLETIN TO CUSTOMERS THAT INQUIRE ABOUT THIS CONDITION.
WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only
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Not sure how long you have had your truck but i figured id post this to make sure its not something normal. It could be something else but i have had a lot of people come to me with the normal noises a 6.4 makes.
TSB
09-16-2
6.4L DIESEL ENGINE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE
Publication Date: August 3, 2009
FORD: 2008-2010 F-Super Duty
This article supersedes TSB 08-19-5 to update the vehicle model years.
ISSUE:
Some 2008-2010 F-Super Duty 250-550 vehicles equipped with a 6.4L diesel engine may exhibit a random engine ticking / tapping noise that is most noticeable when engine coolant temperature is 185 °F (85 °C) or higher and from base idle to approximately 1500 RPM. Some customers may complain that this noise becomes more evident after 3000-5000 miles have accumulated on the vehicle or after an engine oil change.
ACTION:
Refer to the Service Procedure for repair recommendations.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
The ticking / tapping noise is most noticeable at the rear of the driver's side front wheel well. 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines exhibit this normal audible condition (some engines will exhibit greater audible noise due to engine build variations). 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines are manufactured to tight tolerances in order to meet strict durability and reliability standards.
This noise is caused by the relationship between engine block, crankshaft journals, bearing inserts and oil viscosity / film. This relationship allows a pulsation that resonates through the cylinder block and is heard as a metallic ticking noise. This condition is present on all diesel engines.
Technological improvements and overall noise reduction in today's diesel engines make this issue seem new when in fact it was masked by other noises on previous engines. Other engine manufacturers report similar conditions in their diesel engines. Vehicle testing and engine teardown analysis have confirmed this condition will not effect reliability or long term durability of this engine. Dealers should not attempt to perform vehicle to vehicle noise comparisons. This may lead to incorrect conclusions and ineffective repairs.
NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT REPAIRS FOR THIS NORMAL NOISE CONDITION. REPLACING THE ENGINE OR INTERNAL COMPONENTS WILL NOT REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE. PLEASE PROVIDE THIS BULLETIN TO CUSTOMERS THAT INQUIRE ABOUT THIS CONDITION.
WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only
TSB
09-16-2
6.4L DIESEL ENGINE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE
Publication Date: August 3, 2009
FORD: 2008-2010 F-Super Duty
This article supersedes TSB 08-19-5 to update the vehicle model years.
ISSUE:
Some 2008-2010 F-Super Duty 250-550 vehicles equipped with a 6.4L diesel engine may exhibit a random engine ticking / tapping noise that is most noticeable when engine coolant temperature is 185 °F (85 °C) or higher and from base idle to approximately 1500 RPM. Some customers may complain that this noise becomes more evident after 3000-5000 miles have accumulated on the vehicle or after an engine oil change.
ACTION:
Refer to the Service Procedure for repair recommendations.
SERVICE PROCEDURE
The ticking / tapping noise is most noticeable at the rear of the driver's side front wheel well. 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines exhibit this normal audible condition (some engines will exhibit greater audible noise due to engine build variations). 6.4L Powerstroke diesel engines are manufactured to tight tolerances in order to meet strict durability and reliability standards.
This noise is caused by the relationship between engine block, crankshaft journals, bearing inserts and oil viscosity / film. This relationship allows a pulsation that resonates through the cylinder block and is heard as a metallic ticking noise. This condition is present on all diesel engines.
Technological improvements and overall noise reduction in today's diesel engines make this issue seem new when in fact it was masked by other noises on previous engines. Other engine manufacturers report similar conditions in their diesel engines. Vehicle testing and engine teardown analysis have confirmed this condition will not effect reliability or long term durability of this engine. Dealers should not attempt to perform vehicle to vehicle noise comparisons. This may lead to incorrect conclusions and ineffective repairs.
NOTE: DO NOT ATTEMPT REPAIRS FOR THIS NORMAL NOISE CONDITION. REPLACING THE ENGINE OR INTERNAL COMPONENTS WILL NOT REDUCE OR ELIMINATE THE TICKING/TAPPING NOISE. PLEASE PROVIDE THIS BULLETIN TO CUSTOMERS THAT INQUIRE ABOUT THIS CONDITION.
WARRANTY STATUS:
Information Only
I came to that conclusion after a few people said that if I went looking for problems I would waste a lot of time. And money. They suggested I just drive the thing because it sounded normal.
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