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Well good, Gary dropped by our corner of the forums. Guys that visit the '47 and under forum know Gary has the tonner market cornered. Let's see if I can plant a M-H seed in your mind, Gary. Surely there are times on Orcas Island when an old 4x4 would come in handy. Perhaps a M-H model OT5-4 should be in your future, if one could be found. Here's my favorite file pic of one. Stu



Gee thanks Stu. Now I can't get that picture out of my mind. Being a 'collector' must be a genetic mutation because some get it and some don't. About 30 years ago I was a rabid collector of very early briggs and stratton gas engines. (Overhead valves, brass rocker arms, designated by alphabetical letter, some were bicycle attachments etc). I got to the point I had about 25 different models and had to somehow acquire the REALLY rare ones. Living as remote as I do, that never happened.... But that MH Jailbar is killin' me!
 
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Originally Posted by truckdog62563 View Post
Ditto. I've even thought about using my '50 as a donor to create one like it. All the M-H pieces would be correct for a '46/'47. But then I'd have to start looking again for a transfer case for the '51. Oh well. 4drStu
I dont think you would have to look very far...
 
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Josh, How much for that transfer case? Seriously though, I would be more likely to mount my 1/2 ton jailbar panel on a totota landcruiser wagon chassis I have here. 70 mph, ps, pdb, 4wd. I know, I know, I should be horsewhipped.
 
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I dont think you would have to look very far...
You know of something I don't know? The single speed case is totally different than the two speed (which I've got). It's the same as used in half tons. One I had lined up fell through (long story), and after talking to Chuck about them it became obvious that my '50 was to be the donor. I kick myself for not acting on that p.o.s. '48 that spent years on the MT lot sitting near your '51. Now that's made its way to TX and has been lost to followup. Stu
 
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Originally Posted by truckdog62563 View Post
You know of something I don't know? The single speed case is totally different than the two speed (which I've got). It's the same as used in half tons. One I had lined up fell through (long story), and after talking to Chuck about them it became obvious that my '50 was to be the donor. I kick myself for not acting on that p.o.s. '48 that spent years on the MT lot sitting near your '51. Now that's made its way to TX and has been lost to followup. Stu


Oops i missed that its a single speed transfer case. My bad.
 
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I dont have any MH trucks but i do have 6 of those 17" 5 hole budd wheels
like they use. what kind of value do they have??
 
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this is my friends MH truck that he made into a tow truck,






this truck is a 1944 model
 
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before i get dinged for this not being a 48 to 56 truck i just thought i would throw it in being its a MH ford truck,
 
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Edit - typing while you posted the pics. Nice truck.

Please take a look at their concave side rim lips. Budd part numbers are stamped into the metal generally opposite the valve stem holes. There were several different designs. The ones used by M-H were either the #44820, which was also commonly fitted to Studebacker M-15s of the 1940s, and #59340 that was most commonly used by IHC K-5s and L-150s. The ones I've searched for are the 59340s and now have two good sets. Also have a set of the 44820s. The 59340 is more desirable imho because of its Goodyear rim, where the 44820 has a Firestone rim.

Value of these is totally dependent on condition. Rust along the seam where the center disc is riveted to the rim, bent/sprung rings, and obviously bends will render them junk. If in good shape I wouldn't be afraid to say they'd be worth $50 each or in that neighborhood. That's to the right guy that is hung on originality.

The #66520 that I pictured above is similar to the 59340 but is wider. Six inch vs five inch. They are real common because they were fitted to many of the Dodge based motor homes of the 1970s. Also used by IHC on the R-140 4x4s. Anything over scrap value would be my idea of value.

There were also others that have less offset, as used in single wheel applications, some wider or narrower, and some made by Motor Wheel Corporation that are hub piloted and used by Studebaker. I have no clue whether any of these odd designs are sought after by unique collector groups. But will look up any numbers you find to help identify what vehicle used them.

The ugly truth about wheels is that they are heavy, 50 lbs each, and expensive to ship. And most guys try to get rid of the 17s in favor of the tubeless 19.5s for ease of service. Stu
 
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thanks stu for the low down on the rims, later on when it cools down i will go look for the numbers to see what i have, currently 4 of them are serving a purpose on a 4 wheel trailer, but if they had any value i would slap some 20's on the trailer and sell them to someone that could use them. thanks, Jess
 
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This is the sister (or is it brother?) to my '51 R3-4. Single speed transfer case model that the sales literature doesn't say was still in production in 1951. You are fortunate that your transfer case and mounting hardware look to be correct and intact. Mine had earlier in its life had its transfer case replaced with an early WWII era Dodge single speed. Your axle shows no weld at the joint where the long tube enters the diff housing. Your axle 1083 is later than my axle 1023. Like mine you have the mid year parking brake change to the back of the tranny, but retain the early '51 style Ford data plates. Your front auxiliary springs are missing which is no big deal. They can be made. Your wheels are I believe the #44820s having the Firestone RH rim/ring design. Given the amount of rust in the rest of the truck it would be good to handle them with great care. I had a similar wheel rust internally, wasn't visible, and had it go bang when I aired it up. As said you've got a lot of rust, which is not unusual. Probably you'll join the rest of us in the quest for donor metal. Stu
 
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I'd like to broaden this in another direction if I may. Casper1999 sent me a pm last night with all his numbers. Besides what I posted above he included the firewall stamping that is CHG21E37P. I freely admit I'm not good at interpreting these things, besides the obvious that it's a Chicago build. Other guys are good at this, Joe (harleymsn) comes to mind.

If this build date can be determined, I'd then like to see if Josh can find the firewall stampings on his two '51s for comparisons to be drawn. If casper1999's truck was built after one or both of Josh's trucks, or wasn't, it might tell us whether M-H built the R3-4 and R32-4 side-by-side for some part of 1951, or if they didn't began the two speed R32-4 until they'd used up the left over single speed R3-4 components. Stu

Edit - I junked my original cab, and think I cut out the cowl stamping to save. But I can't find it, and am a chump because that would help answer this question. Stu
 

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