2017 powerstroke hp/tq big numbers
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The only way I would buy a truck with 500/1000 would be if Ford got REALLY with the program and had a Built-In "Tuner" of sorts where you could select your own power settings.
They have logic in the system already that works with the engine brake and Tow-Haul modes..
It should not be a stretch for them to offer a Power Delivery feature.
Putting on my tin-foil hat and breaking out the crystal ball ---
1) 300/500 - Economy / Normal
2) 350/600. - Mountain / Light Towing to 10k#
3) 400/800 - Heavy Towing
4) 500/1000 - Extreme Towing
Each mode would selectively change the tuning parameters of the transmission, increasing line pressures and delaying shift points the higher you go.
Secondary transmission and engine oil coolers would be engaged at level 3.
They have logic in the system already that works with the engine brake and Tow-Haul modes..
It should not be a stretch for them to offer a Power Delivery feature.
Putting on my tin-foil hat and breaking out the crystal ball ---
1) 300/500 - Economy / Normal
2) 350/600. - Mountain / Light Towing to 10k#
3) 400/800 - Heavy Towing
4) 500/1000 - Extreme Towing
Each mode would selectively change the tuning parameters of the transmission, increasing line pressures and delaying shift points the higher you go.
Secondary transmission and engine oil coolers would be engaged at level 3.
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I find the hotter the tune, the better the economy.
I also find that a hotter tune with a proper exhaust relieves EGT problems, even when towing something heavy.
So, "economy" tunes are really pointless. I've never taken my tuner off of 345, no matter what I'm towing.
I doubt we will ever see a multi selection tune due to the fact that each tune would have to be tuned for, and pass emissions testing on its own merits. Extreme and useless complications.
So, why not just keep bumping power increments each year that pass emissions while delivering safe power.
That's just what the automakers are doing...
I also find that a hotter tune with a proper exhaust relieves EGT problems, even when towing something heavy.
So, "economy" tunes are really pointless. I've never taken my tuner off of 345, no matter what I'm towing.
I doubt we will ever see a multi selection tune due to the fact that each tune would have to be tuned for, and pass emissions testing on its own merits. Extreme and useless complications.
So, why not just keep bumping power increments each year that pass emissions while delivering safe power.
That's just what the automakers are doing...
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You may find them pointless given your current configuration, but not everyone has your setup.
I've never done diesel tuning but have done a significant amount of firmware programming and tuning for naturally aspirated gasoline engines and started to dabble with the turbo units. I could make multiple tunes that would each meet emissions while delivering various levels of performance.
There are so many variables that can be chosen from that it would make your head swim to try and get your arms around all of them. Ford has got some pretty sharp engineers and I am sure they could find a way to do it.
Think of it as a different sort of tow/haul button as it could make changes to selectively match your conditions..
I've never done diesel tuning but have done a significant amount of firmware programming and tuning for naturally aspirated gasoline engines and started to dabble with the turbo units. I could make multiple tunes that would each meet emissions while delivering various levels of performance.
There are so many variables that can be chosen from that it would make your head swim to try and get your arms around all of them. Ford has got some pretty sharp engineers and I am sure they could find a way to do it.
Think of it as a different sort of tow/haul button as it could make changes to selectively match your conditions..
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Without question, I'm sure Ford could. No disagreement there.
I give it zero chance though.
One tune, one certification, one nationwide database, one set of known variables and characteristics.
Imagine the headaches if a different selected program causes unforeseen problems down the road.
I give it zero chance though.
One tune, one certification, one nationwide database, one set of known variables and characteristics.
Imagine the headaches if a different selected program causes unforeseen problems down the road.
#36
Not really. The big 3 have always lacked in power in this category.
Current 650 (not upcoming) - 325 @ 2300 RPM | 750 lb-ft @ 1800 RPM Cummins ISB
Kenworth T270 Class 6 - Up to PX-9 Paccar engine at 380HP and 1,250 lb-ft @ 1,400 RPM
Freightliner M2 106 Class 6 - Cummins ISL9 380HP and 1,300 lb-ft.
International Durastar Class 6 - International N9 engine 330HP and 950 lb-ft.
Only weaker Class 6 really is Hino (260HP, 660 lb-ft). But for the most part the big 3's class 6's have been weak on power.
Current 650 (not upcoming) - 325 @ 2300 RPM | 750 lb-ft @ 1800 RPM Cummins ISB
Kenworth T270 Class 6 - Up to PX-9 Paccar engine at 380HP and 1,250 lb-ft @ 1,400 RPM
Freightliner M2 106 Class 6 - Cummins ISL9 380HP and 1,300 lb-ft.
International Durastar Class 6 - International N9 engine 330HP and 950 lb-ft.
Only weaker Class 6 really is Hino (260HP, 660 lb-ft). But for the most part the big 3's class 6's have been weak on power.
When I started driving class 8 trucks in 1994 the big engine was a 350HP Cummins in a Kenworth Cat was just coming out with a 400HP engine,.Now if we hauled 80,000 lb loads with a 350hp motor in a class 8 truck for millions of miles, why couldn't these trucks do the same? Short answer is emissions, but that asside, whats so bad about 350HP and a 8 or 10 speed transmission?
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When I started driving class 8 trucks in 1994 the big engine was a 350HP Cummins in a Kenworth Cat was just coming out with a 400HP engine,.Now if we hauled 80,000 lb loads with a 350hp motor in a class 8 truck for millions of miles, why couldn't these trucks do the same? Short answer is emissions, but that asside, whats so bad about 350HP and a 8 or 10 speed transmission?
#39
Stumblefoot,
Remember size of the Rods in an NTC 350?
The size of the journals? Crank, Head bolts? Caps? Block?
Those engines, although light on horses, could bring down a building without any internal damage.
Ever look at the size of the tiny rods in a Powerstroke?
The company I drove for as a kid regularly ran turnpike doubles (2x45' trailers) with both the Big cam and the 3406A & B, up and down I-90 with a gross of 120K+ on a daily basis. Slower on hills, and never a break down.
I don't see the current small diesel engines from the Big 3 lasting more than 10 miles under those conditions.
Agreed, the numbers the Powerstroke engine is producing is nice, but the problem becomes emission, abut more importantly, countering the load someone attempts to pull with it.
Remember size of the Rods in an NTC 350?
The size of the journals? Crank, Head bolts? Caps? Block?
Those engines, although light on horses, could bring down a building without any internal damage.
Ever look at the size of the tiny rods in a Powerstroke?
The company I drove for as a kid regularly ran turnpike doubles (2x45' trailers) with both the Big cam and the 3406A & B, up and down I-90 with a gross of 120K+ on a daily basis. Slower on hills, and never a break down.
I don't see the current small diesel engines from the Big 3 lasting more than 10 miles under those conditions.
Agreed, the numbers the Powerstroke engine is producing is nice, but the problem becomes emission, abut more importantly, countering the load someone attempts to pull with it.
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You got that with the companies that weren't the big 3.
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Although then none of the big three were using their own motors so it should have been comparable with other trucks utilizing the same systems. I'm excited to see how the Ford 6.7 handles the long haul. I believe they've done their homework, but of course it will be hundreds of thousands of miles of real hard work that will prove one way or another.
We never had issues with the Cummins in the 750. The V10 again had gobs of power, but they also required frequent rebuilding.
And sprinter stuff has and always will be worthless
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I knew a guy who's wife had a cousin that worked at a coffee shop that overheard three kids talking about their uncle's neighbor who led the design team for the ISS. Just curious if this was the same guy...
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