Still wondering when Ford will come out with a diesel that gets 30 mpg when pulling like the Dodge's do - at least according to their owners... (sarcasm)

500/1000 is not that far off from what the 2015's make, so I don't see why that is an outlandish statement...

 

I am not sure, I will ask him when I talk to him in a few weeks

 

Ironman
Thank you as I appreciate it. I am hoping the new 2017 will have a face lift as I don't want to buy a new truck and find out that the next year they have completely remodeled it I know its been awhile before Ford has remodeled the super duties and I hope its in the 2017 model year On another forum it was mentioned that they will start producing the 2017's in Feb 2016 as they apparently are now building the 2016's I believe. You would probably know for sure about this
Thanks again
Bob

 

The facelift has already been established... And it's less than attractive unless your a GM fan...

 

I'm probably going to get myself in trouble here. As much as I love my '11 450 KR and am a die hard Ford guy, I don't always think it's the best looking when compared to a decked out Denali or Ram. Having said that I have never towed with either of the other two, drove a Ram for about 4 hours and could not wait to get out because of the uncomfortable seat (for me anyways)

 

The 6.7 in the 650/750 is actually detuned quite a bit for longevity. The light duty trucks will likely see 1000tq but that's marketing more than practicality. If you look at other true medium duty trucks, Ford's numbers stack up decent.

 

Not really. The big 3 have always lacked in power in this category.

Current 650 (not upcoming) - 325 @ 2300 RPM | 750 lb-ft @ 1800 RPM Cummins ISB

Kenworth T270 Class 6 - Up to PX-9 Paccar engine at 380HP and 1,250 lb-ft @ 1,400 RPM

Freightliner M2 106 Class 6 - Cummins ISL9 380HP and 1,300 lb-ft.

International Durastar Class 6 - International N9 engine 330HP and 950 lb-ft.

Only weaker Class 6 really is Hino (260HP, 660 lb-ft). But for the most part the big 3's class 6's have been weak on power.

 

The big truck companies do have some more powerful motors that they use in their class 8s, and then they can put them in the medium trucks as well... But if you compare standard power to the class then Ford is pretty competitive. As you probably know, with big trucks it's not about "Max" numbers, its building the right truck to the job. For an example, Kensworth uses their PX7 in 5,6,7 class trucks, and it's numbers are peaked at 360/800. Most class 6 trucks would likely use this, which makes Ford a direct competitor for most users.

 

The companies I worked with found the main issues with the big 3 engines was shop time. They were always over worked even while well within limits. Rebuilds were not as easy, or outright impossible. The trucks were clapping out at 120K miles instead of 400K plus.

 

Not true. The Ford engineers have stated that it is the same engine, but trucks over a certain GVWR are rated differently. You don't rate them on peak HP and torque, you instead rate them at specific RPM values.

 

Stuart, I've never heard of this on the 6.7. I've seen it confirmed many times for the 6.2 between the SD and F150 but never the 6.7. Do you have a link or something to verify?

 

They do use a different turbo on the chassis cab trucks though.

 

You are thinking gas engines. In diesel the cab and chassis are a single turbo where the pickups are dual. They pickups have significantly more hp and TQ than their c and c counter parts.

 

According to the Q/A they are quite different engines: 2015 Super Duty Engineers Q&A: Part 3 - Ford-Trucks.com

 

Ford heard ya on that. 5 year, 250k warranty is standard with the 6.7 med duty. While I'm not a big fan of factory warranties, Ford has addressed the public concern with the previous motors they fielded.