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Old 06-22-2015, 10:29 AM
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Beware of All Metal Classics on ebay and internet.

Saw a Yellow 1973 Ford F100 Truck on ebay for sale. Called owner of company and he assured me several times the truck was rust free, original paint and ebay advertisement/description was accurate. He insisted on wire transfer for payment which I completed the next day. Several days later I asked for shipping info and he only sent the top portion of the receipt leaving out the cosmetic condition of vehicle as seen by shipper, ( ie: dents and damage). I asked for a copy of the whole shipping document to be sent but was ignored. I had the truck registered as required by Illinois law and paid the relevant taxes, title, and plate transfer fees. When truck arrived there was NO muffler and I couldn't even hear the shipper talking to me 3 feet away from the noise. Upon further inspection of the vehicle I have found every body panel, under truck and inside has some level of rust even thought the ad stated "Rust Free Idaho Vehicle". The ad also described a 390 cubic inch engine and I have had a mechanic measure piston travel and it is in fact a 360 cubic inch engine. Ad describes a leak free and issue free vehicle all of which are untrue. Gauges do not work, factory installed dual tank was not hooked up, every fluid leaked including oil, trans, radiator, and rear end fluids. Rear bumper was from another truck as it had extra mounting holes and licence plate lights were missing.Truck advertised and original paint and a yellow over spray can be seen on most of the stainless steel trim and rubber window seals. Yellow color on hood, doors, and front fenders did not match the yellow of the bed and cab. Large dents and deep gouges can be found on every body panel. Rear tire had a large bolt and leaked air from the moment it was removed from shipping semi. I immediately called the owner of All Metal Classics and he told me to keep it a few day I will learn to love it and then he hung up on me. He called back an hour later and said he would try to do something in a few day if I still was unhappy. I told him I would never accept this as the vehicle he advertised. Called him next day and he stated he needed a few day to resell the truck. He posted it for sale back on ebay and found a buyer. Promised me he would transfer money to me Friday and he did not transfer until the following Monday. I sent him a waver for the full reimbursement/refund but he only refunded the purchase price. He told me in a recorded phone call he would return my shipping and other expenses that would make me whole when I sent a picture of title. I sent said picture and have yet to hear from the owner of All Metal Classics. I have several pages of documents, text messages and recorded phone calls to support everything stated in the complaint.

Their response was that I was a liar. I have a text from him saying he would fully reimburse me but he hasn't. Watch out for ALL Metal Classics of Idaho
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 10:30 AM
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If anybody wants to see pictures of this junk let me know.
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 11:51 AM
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Good news is that you are letting your FTE brothers know. Bummer is that you had to get burned. There have been a few threads on here exactly like this.
1) Always pre-inspect the vehicle, especially used. One thing nice about FTE, the members here will usually lend a hand in this regard.
2) I don't know if this will work, but make copies of the ad, along with all of your e-mail correspondence and file a complaint with the Internet Fraud Division. At least you will have done something.
3) This used to work for me with E-bay: Contact buyers who had complaints about the seller you are dealing with. You can usually get more info than what is printed.
 

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Can we assume your complaint & such went through eBay?
 
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Can we assume your complaint & such went through eBay?
I would definitely look into E-bay's buyer protection plan that they're always bragging about.
 
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Old 06-22-2015, 05:12 PM
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I went outside ebay like a fool. I got my money back but I'm out fees and taxes and shipping to the tune of $1500.00. Filed with BBB in Idaho but they have no power. I just want to tell my story so others don't get burned and when someone searches All Metal Classics owned by Johnny Hetmer in Caldwell Idaho, they will be sent to posts like this.

The truck in my sig is my new one. Got it Saturday. Very happy with it.
 
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All Metal Classics

I recently purchased a 1975 F250 4x4 from these guys on June 12th and am awaiting pick up from Idaho and then shipment from Idaho to NH.
Saw it on Ebay, supposed to be a one owner, 62K mile vehicle with all original paint and no dents or rust.
I do have the original title so the one owner part is true.
Got as many photos as possible before pulling the trigger and I felt the 62K miles was true as well; but now I'm worried about rust/rot/dent free based on your story.
I too paid by wire transfer outside of ebay..............

Stay tuned for how this one works out......


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i wonder if ccr_05 has anything to do with this.
 
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Something like that would make me go pay the guy a visit.... Sorry to hear of your troubles, the new pickup looks clean!
 
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This is why you hire an inspector to look at it before you pass along the money.

Inspectors are listed in Services Offered section of Hemmings Motor News, ebay also has inspectors. Usual cost is about 100 bucks.

Do NOT believe a single word that a private seller claims, as they LIE just like used/new car dealers, lawyers, politicians and TV evangelists.

Do NOT believe the miles shown on the odometer, as it reads to 99999.9 then returns to ZERO!
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 10:29 AM
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If you don't want to pay for a full inspection, you can sometimes get away with calling a dealership in the seller's area, and asking the used car manager if he will take a QUICK no-obligation look at the vehicle - set up a time the seller and manager can agree on, e-mail the ad description to the manager, and ask about whether the vehicle looks as advertised or if it has something obviously wrong, like puking oil or gaping body rot holes. Phrase it that you are sending the manager a potential customer (hey, the seller may want to replace what he is selling!) and for a quick look the manager will usually cooperate, and regardless of what you may think of used car guys, face it: they know what to look for quickly. Sending him a gift card afterwards doesn't hurt, either. Just don't expect a full inspection.
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:46 AM
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I had a local friend by a red & white 2 tone 1960's style Ford truck about 10 years ago out of Louisiana (I think). Paid a sizable deposit based on sent photos and phone conversations with the seller and he arranged a hauling service to pick it up with the agreement that the driver,with the money balance, match the truck to the pictures/descriptions. Upon arrival the truck to be loaded was absolutely a DIFFERENT truck than what was sold to my friend and the driver said there was 4 or 5 other red and white junkers all sitting there. The driver would not accept the rot box or the scam! Great photos of a nice truck then switched to one of the mop job, other red/white junks was the ploy. A bait and switch to the extreme! Buddy eventually got some of his deposit back. Crazy world..... Gary
 
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Is this who you're talking about?
Caldwell Idaho Classic Cars | All Metal Classics
Interesting that, in their "sold" section, they list a 1979 F250 "factory high boy".
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 07:47 PM
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This is unfortunate to hear. As someone who has sold hundreds of items on eBay, I would insist on a buyer using PayPal. It protects both of us. Sellers get screwed by buyers just as much as buyers get screwed by sellers. eBay has more control of the money if you use PayPal and they can take the money back and hold it if there is a dispute. They can't do that on a wire transfer. It would make me think twice about a pitch as if the seller insisted on another form of payment. Hopefully this will stop someone else from being burned by shady people.
 
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Old 06-23-2015, 11:15 PM
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I read this post and had to open an account just to respond. I have personally purchased 2 vehicles from All Metal Clasics, A 1972 Ford Bronco that I flew in, inspected, loved and purchased. And a 1979 Bronco Ranger XLT that I bought sight unseen and had shipped to me. I love them both and plan on keeping them in my family for years to come.

And personally I can't believe this guy who started this post. He is going after a small garage/business after he purchased a 45 year old truck sight unseen and then was granted a full refund after he complained about it? Good luck finding another company that would do that.

Someone needed to stand up for the small business selling honest classic vehicles and tell this guy to stop whining. What a horror story, "I bought a classic truck, whined about it, and got a full refund" Unbelievable.

If anyone needs to contact me regarding my purchases from All Metal, feel free. I feel the need to stand up for them after 2 great buying experiences.
 

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