Yet another 5.4 spark plug change thread/intake question
#16
Power tools not needed. T-55 Torx PLUS socket, 18mm 1/2" drive deep or semi-deep hex socket and one electrical connector and they're out.
Its not that seat removal is the only way or even the best way to change plugs, its simple one of those things I do and recommend for those not familiar or experienced with the process. I could leave the seats in place, I just choose not to.
Honestly if it weren't for the 3-4 times a year I carry a passenger that right seat would forever dwell in my garage, replaced only if/when the van is sold.
Its not that seat removal is the only way or even the best way to change plugs, its simple one of those things I do and recommend for those not familiar or experienced with the process. I could leave the seats in place, I just choose not to.
Honestly if it weren't for the 3-4 times a year I carry a passenger that right seat would forever dwell in my garage, replaced only if/when the van is sold.
#17
#18
I am purchasing a 1998 E350 5.4 and want to know if I buy the Ford MOTORCRAFT SP405 or do I purchase iridium plugs? I bought iridium plugs for my Subaru and I can tell you that they did not last any longer than regular plugs. I don't plan on going with DelGriff's 400k spark plug change intervals as I don't think I will put another 400k on the van.
#19
I am purchasing a 1998 E350 5.4 and want to know if I buy the Ford MOTORCRAFT SP405 or do I purchase iridium plugs? I bought iridium plugs for my Subaru and I can tell you that they did not last any longer than regular plugs. I don't plan on going with DelGriff's 400k spark plug change intervals as I don't think I will put another 400k on the van.
When changing plugs at 50K miles I'd add using a bit of nickel-based anti-seize on the threads and proper torque (25/28 ft/lbs) also yields long lasting and trouble free driving. The anti-seize aids removal next time out, the increased torque eliminates plugs working themselves loose.
When DelGriffith was posting more regularly some of his fleet experiences were amazing---still are upon second reading.
#20
Well, its not quite that bad---but close enough to be sad.
While the idea of removing a seat seems complicated or extra work doing so opens up so much space inside its almost a joy. More than once over a weekend I've pulled both front seats for various tasks---it borders on amazing. Do it once and you'll see for yourself---highly recommended.
Honestly with seats out my V8 5.4's plugs can have 6 removed from inside, the front two (#1 & #5) from the front. If you don't mind reaching and stretching a bit only #1 needs the air filter housing snorkel removed, #5 reachable as is.
While the idea of removing a seat seems complicated or extra work doing so opens up so much space inside its almost a joy. More than once over a weekend I've pulled both front seats for various tasks---it borders on amazing. Do it once and you'll see for yourself---highly recommended.
Honestly with seats out my V8 5.4's plugs can have 6 removed from inside, the front two (#1 & #5) from the front. If you don't mind reaching and stretching a bit only #1 needs the air filter housing snorkel removed, #5 reachable as is.
#21
If I can get this job done in under 8 hours the first time through I will be happy. I replaced the passenger plug closest to the front of the vehicle in about 20 minutes.
#22
Back nuts are 18MM---a medium length socket works perfectly here. Also a deep well and regular length sockets work but you do have to switch them due clearance of the seat base.
Be careful disconnecting the seat belt pyro--it can be fragile due age. Its a good idea to disconnect the battery negative cable about 15 minutes before removing the seat--let any residual current in the air bag module bleed off. Also be careful with the pigtail from the chassis wiring to the seat belt pyro---its laying right on the floor so could be easily damaged if its not protected until the seat is re-installed. I damaged my wiring by carelessly trapping it between the seat base and floor when tightening the back nuts. It was repairable but that annoying dash light wouldn't go out until it was repaired.
#23
Greetings ~ plugs arrived this afternoon ~ installed the plugs on the passenger side ~ couldn't get the connector off coil plug 4 ~ was about to button it up for the night ~ daughter showed up and was climbing up to remove the clip ~ I told her don't you'll get dirty and cut your hands ~ bam ~ she had the clip off ~ anyway got the passenger side done ~ I'll try the driver side tomorrow ~ then I'll have to go back to check the torque on plugs 3 & 4 to satisfy myself they're tight enough ```
I used a 3/8" drive ratchet ~ I was trying to judge to 20 -25 lbs ~ not satisfied with the back two ```
How do you tighten plugs 4 can you get your torque wrench in there ~ or ```
Rich
Plugs that were removed were 22WM & 1 aftermarket coil ~ and only the bottom 5 threads were engaged ~ same with the new plugs I installed is that true of all 2001 5.4 2V in F150s ```
I used a 3/8" drive ratchet ~ I was trying to judge to 20 -25 lbs ~ not satisfied with the back two ```
How do you tighten plugs 4 can you get your torque wrench in there ~ or ```
Rich
Plugs that were removed were 22WM & 1 aftermarket coil ~ and only the bottom 5 threads were engaged ~ same with the new plugs I installed is that true of all 2001 5.4 2V in F150s ```
#24
I looked in my manual and you should be able to get at #4 by removing the dog house.
How are you judging torque? The only way to consistently get the correct torque is with a calibrated torque wrench. I use a Precision Instruments split beam torque wrench with flexible head. I keep in a box above my computer and take it out for special occasions like spark plugs and tightening bolts that go into softer material like aluminum.
How are you judging torque? The only way to consistently get the correct torque is with a calibrated torque wrench. I use a Precision Instruments split beam torque wrench with flexible head. I keep in a box above my computer and take it out for special occasions like spark plugs and tightening bolts that go into softer material like aluminum.
#25
Greetings Coolfeet ~ No doghouse 2001 F150 5.4 ``` yeh I got all plugs on the right side but didn't us my torque wrench will go back to plugs 3-4 to satisfy myself they are tight enough ~ I set the torque by superhuman feel ```
I have my old trusty torque wrench ~ I may employ that ```
I re injured my ribs yesterday ~ I may have to put off doing the plugs for a bit ```
I have my old trusty torque wrench ~ I may employ that ```
I re injured my ribs yesterday ~ I may have to put off doing the plugs for a bit ```
#26
JWA, I removed 6 out of plugs. I am perplexed at removing the COP bolts on #3 & 7. I can reach #3 from the front (it's a long reach) and I am afraid of dropping the bolt. As far as #7, I finally got the COP bolt loose by using a Cobalt pass-through socket. I tightened it back up as I have been wrenching for 6 hours and need a break. Do you have any tips for #3 & #7?
My 2 boys and wife are in Texas for national debate tournament and I am all alone.
My 18-year son has excellent motor skills and I know he can reach bolts to remove the COP and will be able to thread them back in. I will pay him $30 per bolt removed and reinstalled.
My 2 boys and wife are in Texas for national debate tournament and I am all alone.
My 18-year son has excellent motor skills and I know he can reach bolts to remove the COP and will be able to thread them back in. I will pay him $30 per bolt removed and reinstalled.
#28
There's no real trick to removing COP bolts but I did buy a 7mm 1/4" drive magnetic socket, one each standard and a deep well. These are used ONLY for COP bolts and they work well for this. Generally if you can see the bolt heads removing and re-installing them isn't difficult. Granted the space is crowded.
BTW I R & R 6 plugs and COP's from inside the cabin---I don't have a long reach arm-wise but even so the "back 6" are easy from inside. I go a bit over board with #1 & #5 removing the air filter housing and all duct work back to the throttle body. This step is akin to removing a seat---the amount of room it creates is pretty amazing if only in my mind.
So I've not really changed my process but should be a bit more careful typing specification numbers.
I use anywhere from 23 ft/lbs to 25 ft/lbs---we can say 24 too? Honestly anywhere between the 23 & 25 would work fine. The main thing to keep in mind we the plugs torqued more than the factory spec of, get THIS: 7-14 ft/lbs.
I really haven't changed my process but should be more careful typing specification numbers.
#29
Almost constantly in the Modular Motors sub-forum the issue of spark plugs and COP's is under discussion. Just as frequently the consensus is Motorcraft plugs (SP479 in this case), new boots and Motorcraft or Denso COP's have the least amount of problems. Those who've tried using all the hi-tek gee whiz stuff soon find out such things are more hype than useful.
When changing plugs at 50K miles I'd add using a bit of nickel-based anti-seize on the threads and proper torque (25/28 ft/lbs) also yields long lasting and trouble free driving. The anti-seize aids removal next time out, the increased torque eliminates plugs working themselves loose.
When DelGriffith was posting more regularly some of his fleet experiences were amazing---still are upon a second reading.
When changing plugs at 50K miles I'd add using a bit of nickel-based anti-seize on the threads and proper torque (25/28 ft/lbs) also yields long lasting and trouble free driving. The anti-seize aids removal next time out, the increased torque eliminates plugs working themselves loose.
When DelGriffith was posting more regularly some of his fleet experiences were amazing---still are upon a second reading.
I keep special tools just for special jobs. A friend of mine keeps separate toolboxes for doing work around the home. He will not mix with automotive repair. This makes sense as the tool that I need most of will certainly be lost if it goes back and forth.
#30
I should have known. You are old school consistent. You have one torque wrench just for plugs.
I keep special tools just for special jobs. A friend of mine keeps separate toolboxes for doing work around the home. He will not mix with automotive repair. This makes sense as the tool that I need most of will certainly be lost if it goes back and forth.
I keep special tools just for special jobs. A friend of mine keeps separate toolboxes for doing work around the home. He will not mix with automotive repair. This makes sense as the tool that I need most of will certainly be lost if it goes back and forth.
I'll take that first part as a compliment?!?!
But yeah its good practice keeping specialized tools separate from the automotive stuff. Since a lot of my work tools can do double duty they're kept in the work truck---its easier for me that way. Now toss in a woman who'll use a BFH to crack walnuts and she knows just the place to find one.......and suddenly your "system" is blown all the hell.