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Old 08-17-2017, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightrain
Interesting information from someone in the engineering field. This falls into the "overbuild it" category. Sometimes that is not a good thing.

Nice work Gavin.......as usual.

Ya some times over building stuff is not always the best. This is usually only the case when dynamic loading forces are at play. Some times stuff needs to be able to flex or absorb shock loading to prevent fatigue cracking.

This is one of the reasons hot riveting lasted so long in certain applications and is still even used today on certain structures like steel truss bridges. Rivets or bolting allow the structure to flex where as welding although stronger for static capacity with repeated flexing such as steel truss bridges see the welds would eventually fail.

Usually once a person understands how frame mount receiver hitches work it makes sense and it is actually quite surprising the amount of the engineering calculations that go in to something as simple as a frame mount receiver hitch to make it strong enough to handle the loads encountered yet flexible enough to prevent shock loads being transmitted to the attachment points to prevent fatigue cracking. This comes in to play even more when it is being built to a price point.
 
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Originally Posted by Tomahawk
The receiver directly welded to the 2x2 cross member would be a better setup.


I wanted to reuse the old bumper so I had to mount the receiver out on the edge of the 1/2" steel plate. That makes a big moment arm, over 14" from the 2x2 tube to the hitch ball. That's about double the normal moment arm of an OEM hitch. I'm not sure how happy that 1/2" steel plate would be with a trailer ball hanging out over 14" so welding the plate to the bumper was an easy decision.
Your set up is fine even with the 1/2" plate extension the cross tube would just need to be sized appropriately to accommodate the extra distance (or torque) from it being placed so far away.

Not all hitches have the receiver tube welded directly to the cross tube.
Most off the shelf ones do just for cost considerations during fabrication.
The only thing that would need to be changed is a chunk of angle welded to the plate and the cross tube to help distribute the stress so it is not all on the
welds on the plate. This is also for saftey reasons, If a group of welds fail there is not just one group of material welds keeping things attached but 2 separate groups of material welds.

Most off the shelf receiver hitches are built this way that have tube mounted under or on the cross tube. See below. Some do away with it by having the receiver tube integral to the cross tube. .


 
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but they say "no it doesn't". It still looks the same, though the driver is getting rough
Ahh. Who cares Larry. You can still bang gears like a "Freightrain". Personal miles doesn't matter.

Originally Posted by Tomahawk
The receiver directly welded to the 2x2 cross member would be a better setup.

Man, I still love that Blue.
 
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Old 08-17-2017, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by matthewq4b
Your set up is fine even with the 1/2" plate extension the cross tube would just need to be sized appropriately to accommodate the extra distance (or torque) from it being placed so far away.

Not all hitches have the receiver tube welded directly to the cross tube.
Most off the shelf ones do just for cost considerations during fabrication.
The only thing that would need to be changed is a chunk of angle welded to the plate and the cross tube to help distribute the stress so it is not all on the welds on the plate.
OMG this thing already weighs a ton, I can't see adding more metal. It would crush a small child.



Originally Posted by matthewq4b
This is also for safety reasons, If a group of welds fail there is not just one group of material welds keeping things attached but 2 separate groups of material welds.
Like a group of welds the crossmember and a group on the bumper. LOL J/K Sorry I couldn't resist.


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Most off the shelf receiver hitches are built this way that have tube mounted under or on the cross tube. See below. Some do away with it by having the receiver tube integral to the cross tube. .
My SD has the integral receiver, it's beefy.

Good stuff Matt.
 
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Old 08-17-2017, 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Freightrain
Interesting information from someone in the engineering field. This falls into the "overbuild it" category. Sometimes that is not a good thing.

Nice work Gavin.......as usual.

I took ol blue to a BBQ last weekend. It was with a bunch of racing/gearhead buddies that go back 20+ years. Many hadn't seen the truck in lots years. I told them how much loving it needs, but they say "no it doesn't". It still looks the same, though the driver is getting rough
Aren't we all.

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Ahh. Who cares Larry. You can still bang gears like a "Freightrain". Personal miles doesn't matter.


Man, I still love that Blue.


It looks even better with the bumper.




From the cab to the bumper is complete! Now on to the engine compartment.
 
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Old 08-17-2017, 06:31 PM
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It looks even better with the bumper.




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You pull Larry's station wagon race car with that Blue truck?
And GOOD JOB on the 70's license plate number. Frickin' way to go Buddy. Excellent. if I ever get my Bump on the road I'm gonna try for number KING 2.
 
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You pull Larry's station wagon race car with that Blue truck?
And GOOD JOB on the 70's license plate number. Frickin' way to go Buddy. Excellent. if I ever get my Bump on the road I'm gonna try for number KING 2.
or KING II
 
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Wow Gavin...that fuel door and bumper turned out really good. Nice job buddy!
 
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Old 08-22-2017, 03:04 PM
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OMG Matt, now you have me going out to crawl under 'Ol Ralph and photographing my home made bumper and hitch... All welded solid, to the 4" pipe bumper, which hangs from 5/8" plates, bolted with 6, 5/8" grade 8 bolts, washers, and lock nuts to the rear of the frame. Just a bit of over injunearing. My 'Baja' injunearing manual sez... "If 1 will do, 2 has to be better and more secure." The manual guarantees me that it will hold until it breaks... photo soon...

Sorry for jumping in on this Gavin, but your bumper looks so clean, and Matt's engineering obviously so correct, and its true, that you never know when you will need to pull 10K...

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Well amigos, I do not remember getting so carried away with bolts when I put this bumper on 4 or 5 years ago... but I hope Matt sees this, and makes some comments engineering wise... and humor is always good

dangme, for some reason my photos won't post at this time??? oh well,, another try later...

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There we go, 4" channel, welded to the pipe bumper, bolted with 3 bolts to the frame, and 2 more bolts vertical through the frame's bottom flange, and a 2" angle sandwiched to the inside of the frame... also welded to the pipe bumper...

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Old 08-22-2017, 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by bajafishnut

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There we go, 4" channel, welded to the pipe bumper, bolted with 3 bolts to the frame, and 2 more bolts vertical through the frame's bottom flange, and a 2" angle sandwiched to the inside of the frame... also welded to the pipe bumper...

Baja

Sorry just seen this I was miss stuff when threads jumps to the next page DOH and I do not mean to hi jack but.

Your set up should be fine. You have the bumper/hitch mounted to the frame on on 2 axis's the side of the frame and the bottom of the channel the bottom bolting will prevent the side plate from flexing in the vertical plane this will for all intense purposes make the bumper structurally integral (one piece) with the frame. Plus the Bumper is a cross tube and believe it or not that tube will flex a bit.

It will transfer shock loading to the frame of the vehicle but not the attachment points and could potentially lead to fatigue cracking in the frame at other locations but I think this is unlikely as Ford truck frames are fairly flexible and should be able absorb most of the shock loading. Occasional frame inspections ( like once a year) at transition points ( depth of frame or width changes) and at the first cross member in front of the attachment point (that area I would inspect closely) it would be cheap insurance if you are towing above class 3 regularly. Do check the welds on the crosstube also when you inspect this just as a matter of fact.
In all likely hood you will never have issue,

Now if you are constantly towing 10K plus then a more conventional torsion tube receiver would be advisable.

If this was a newer box style frame then all bets would off and in time fatigue cracking would be inevitable. There are too many places to start stress risers from on modern boxed truck frames with all the dimensional changes along the length of the frame.
 
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Old 08-22-2017, 10:06 PM
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Wow Gavin...that fuel door and bumper turned out really good. Nice job buddy!
Thanks Andre! I'm waiting on my 3rd windshield from LMC Truck. UPS Freight keeps snapping the ends off.

I got my electric fans working tonight.



I ran the engine for 15-20 minutes tonight at 1800-2200 RPM finishing up breaking in the cam.



The fans work great!
 
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I don't know what cam you put in it Gavin. Have you recorded a video of the engine running? If windshield #3 comes in broken you might call a local Safelite Auto Glass. I think it's still available new.
 


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